Finally got round to checking the so called "let it rip" example in Sweden...

Population of Sweden in 2020: 10,120,195
[iComparison for later - Population of Sweden in 2015: 9,764,950[/i
Urbanisation: 88.2%
Aging Demographic: Over the age of 65 years and above - 20% of the total population
Lockdowns: No
Mask mandate: No
Restrictions - Ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, schools were closed to children over the age of 16 and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants.
Other factors to consider - Voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and encouraging citizens to avoid public transport.

Number of Covid19 cases in population - High
([iSweden total Covid19 cases per million - 12,288. This ranks them 50th highest in the World. Compared to UK 14,876, placed 40th in the World[/i)

Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2020 – 70,352
Total all cause deaths: average of corresponding date range for the last five years (2015-2019) – 66,649

Other comparisons to specific years:-
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2018 – 67,684
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2015 - 67,759

[iMonth of October cannot be included due to reporting lag. [/i

From what I've read they made the exact same “mistakes” as we did in the UK regarding closing parts of the health service and failing to protect care homes.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200916-th ... care-homes

Disgusting treatment of the elderly to say the least.

However to say they've handled it so poorly, had an increase in population of 355,245 from 2015 to 2020, I don't see excess deaths of 3,703 over the five year average being that much of a disaster. If you make the adjustments to the 2015 deaths/change in population you will find the death rate is practically the same as 2020. Applying the Imperial College model used by Prof "lockdown" Ferguson; Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 Covid19 deaths by June, reality was about 5,000 confirmed Covid19 related deaths. I'm sorry but based on the actual results in Sweden I don't see the cause for panic that you, the government and media boys would have us believe. Enough to encourage sensible precautions yes, but not to the degree of destroying livelihoods or wanting to take individual freedoms away. I still believe there are people pushing an agenda here under the guise of Covid to change society for their own benefit.

Finally got round to checking the so called "let it rip" example in Sweden...

Population of Sweden in 2020: 10,120,195
[iComparison for later - Population of Sweden in 2015: 9,764,950[/i
Urbanisation: 88.2%
Aging Demographic: Over the age of 65 years and above - 20% of the total population
Lockdowns: No
Mask mandate: No
Restrictions - Ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, schools were closed to children over the age of 16 and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants.
Other factors to consider - Voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and encouraging citizens to avoid public transport.

Number of Covid19 cases in population - High
([iSweden total Covid19 cases per million - 12,288. This ranks them 50th highest in the World. Compared to UK 14,876, placed 40th in the World[/i)

Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2020 – 70,352
Total all cause deaths: average of corresponding date range for the last five years (2015-2019) – 66,649

Other comparisons to specific years:-
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2018 – 67,684
Total all cause deaths: from 1st January to 30th September 2015 - 67,759

[iMonth of October cannot be included due to reporting lag. [/i

From what I've read they made the exact same “mistakes” as we did in the UK regarding closing parts of the health service and failing to protect care homes.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200916-th ... care-homes

Disgusting treatment of the elderly to say the least.

However to say they've handled it so poorly, had an increase in population of 355,245 from 2015 to 2020, I don't see excess deaths of 3,703 over the five year average being that much of a disaster. If you make the adjustments to the 2015 deaths/change in population you will find the death rate is practically the same as 2020. Applying the Imperial College model used by Prof "lockdown" Ferguson; Sweden should have seen between 42,000 and 85,000 Covid19 deaths by June, reality was about 5,000 confirmed Covid19 related deaths. I'm sorry but based on the actual results in Sweden I don't see the cause for panic that you, the government and media boys would have us believe. Enough to encourage sensible precautions yes, but not to the degree of destroying livelihoods or wanting to take individual freedoms away. I still believe there are people pushing an agenda here under the guise of Covid to change society for their own benefit.

The link you give shows data from China only during the early phases of the pandemic.

It all depends on which 'death rate' you are referring to and these can also spread quite broadly depending on the country and the method of recording data.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

If you scroll down to the table of individual countries, you'll see a broad range of mortality rates, take your pick.

So, what is it? death rate = number of deaths from/with covid divided by what? the whole population? the people with positive tests? the people with symptoms? the people who are hospitalised? the people who need ventilation?

Currently in the UK there have been 46,000 deaths attributed to the virus, with a population of 67 million that's 0.068%.
If you look at cases (990,000) you get 4.6%

Also, mortality rates are falling because the medical people are getting more knowledge and experience of the virus and there are some treatments available for severe cases.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/21/ ... improving/

The link you give shows data from China only during the early phases of the pandemic.

It all depends on which 'death rate' you are referring to and these can also spread quite broadly depending on the country and the method of recording data.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

If you scroll down to the table of individual countries, you'll see a broad range of mortality rates, take your pick.

So, what is it? death rate = number of deaths from/with covid divided by what? the whole population? the people with positive tests? the people with symptoms? the people who are hospitalised? the people who need ventilation?

Currently in the UK there have been 46,000 deaths attributed to the virus, with a population of 67 million that's 0.068%.
If you look at cases (990,000) you get 4.6%

Also, mortality rates are falling because the medical people are getting more knowledge and experience of the virus and there are some treatments available for severe cases.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/09/21/ ... improving/

I'll ask again, how many suicides, delayed cancer ops, livelihoods destroyed, increase in mental illness etc. etc. etc. etc. are you prepared to accept before you admit all these ridiculous measures are completely dis-proportionate

I realise it may be painfull to recognise the damage this is doing but please try.

I'll ask again, how many suicides, delayed cancer ops, livelihoods destroyed, increase in mental illness etc. etc. etc. etc. are you prepared to accept before you admit all these ridiculous measures are completely dis-proportionate

I realise it may be painfull to recognise the damage this is doing but please try.

Right OK you are still beating the drum and not answering any debate put to you.

Let me explain to you you keep quoting 0.3% of the population is only really affected by Covid so in effect we should dismiss it and run with it. Well that equates to about 220,000 deaths in the UK from Covid based on 66million people a bit of work for the NHS there mate.

Now you keep bleating on about this American petition signed by 600,000 people as if its massive well lets put it into your percentage profiles, the population of the US is in excess of 300,000,000 which works out that the petition is around 0.3%, on the one hand you totally dismiss this figure as irrelevant and then on another you are ramming it down peoples necks as if nothing else counts.

Now then you bang on about Gates and his Event 201

Well what about this one then that occurred almost a year before the one you mention is a world conspiracy this one by the World Health Organisation was held in 2018.
https://www.who.int/ihr/eoc-exercise/en/

Right OK you are still beating the drum and not answering any debate put to you.

Let me explain to you you keep quoting 0.3% of the population is only really affected by Covid so in effect we should dismiss it and run with it. Well that equates to about 220,000 deaths in the UK from Covid based on 66million people a bit of work for the NHS there mate.

Now you keep bleating on about this American petition signed by 600,000 people as if its massive well lets put it into your percentage profiles, the population of the US is in excess of 300,000,000 which works out that the petition is around 0.3%, on the one hand you totally dismiss this figure as irrelevant and then on another you are ramming it down peoples necks as if nothing else counts.

Now then you bang on about Gates and his Event 201

Well what about this one then that occurred almost a year before the one you mention is a world conspiracy this one by the World Health Organisation was held in 2018.
https://www.who.int/ihr/eoc-exercise/en/