Yeah I think the link is https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths proves my point.

As for the guidance on the 16th March, it was our original approach similar to that of the approach in Sweden; washing hands, stay home if you are sick, work from home if you can etc - certainly one I'd endorse. This was and still is the most sensible approach based on over 40 years of epidemiology knowledge, no reason to change it. Whether it had an actual significant impact on the curve early on is difficult to know. But based on my own personal experience after the announcement, I found working in Leeds city centre that week was still busy and towards the end of the week there was a mad rush on in the shops buying food etc. I only started noticing a real difference after the 23rd March when the shops and streets became very quiet. By Friday 27th March the whole of Leeds was practically empty.

Sweden? I thought they adopted a strategy to flatten the curve after they discovered, just like the UK, that the virus was already widespread in their community. I never heard anyone talking about saving the most lives from C19 in the population, it was all about flattening the curve. As we did in the UK they achieved their aims. In comparison to Norway, Finland and Denmark they either didn't have the virus widespread in the first place or if they did there was not enough susceptible people in the population to infect with the disease.

[iThe head of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health believes Norway could have brought the coronavirus pandemic under control without a lockdown, and called for the country to avoid such far-reaching measures if hit by a second wave.
[/i
https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway ... alth-chief

South America is a different kettle of fish to Europe. To be fair to countries like Brazil they were unlucky as the outbreak of the virus was followed by them entering into their Winter season. Looking at the the daily deaths they have still been falling since the 29th July regardless of a nationwide lockdown mandate. I fully expect the rate will continue to fall as they start to enter the summer months in December. Admittedly they did have a prolonged 2 month peak prior to 29th July but this can be explained as mentioned before on it being coupled with the Winter season. Lets now use the example of Brazil against the country with the worlds strictest lockdown, Peru, in the same continent as them. Their lockdown was militarised but they still have a higher death rate per capita and less susceptible number of people to run through than Brazil

Peru population = 33,114,228 million - Covid deaths = 34,033 (1,028 deaths per million population)
Brazil population = 213,032,208 million - Total Covid deaths = 156,528 (735 deaths per million population)

Source - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

My point is if you looked at all the graphs and you were blinded to the label of each country. I'd be surprised if you could tell me just by looking at them which countries lockdown and which didn't.

Yeah I think the link is https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths proves my point.

As for the guidance on the 16th March, it was our original approach similar to that of the approach in Sweden; washing hands, stay home if you are sick, work from home if you can etc - certainly one I'd endorse. This was and still is the most sensible approach based on over 40 years of epidemiology knowledge, no reason to change it. Whether it had an actual significant impact on the curve early on is difficult to know. But based on my own personal experience after the announcement, I found working in Leeds city centre that week was still busy and towards the end of the week there was a mad rush on in the shops buying food etc. I only started noticing a real difference after the 23rd March when the shops and streets became very quiet. By Friday 27th March the whole of Leeds was practically empty.

Sweden? I thought they adopted a strategy to flatten the curve after they discovered, just like the UK, that the virus was already widespread in their community. I never heard anyone talking about saving the most lives from C19 in the population, it was all about flattening the curve. As we did in the UK they achieved their aims. In comparison to Norway, Finland and Denmark they either didn't have the virus widespread in the first place or if they did there was not enough susceptible people in the population to infect with the disease.

[iThe head of the Norwegian Institute of Public Health believes Norway could have brought the coronavirus pandemic under control without a lockdown, and called for the country to avoid such far-reaching measures if hit by a second wave.
[/i
https://www.thelocal.no/20200522/norway ... alth-chief

South America is a different kettle of fish to Europe. To be fair to countries like Brazil they were unlucky as the outbreak of the virus was followed by them entering into their Winter season. Looking at the the daily deaths they have still been falling since the 29th July regardless of a nationwide lockdown mandate. I fully expect the rate will continue to fall as they start to enter the summer months in December. Admittedly they did have a prolonged 2 month peak prior to 29th July but this can be explained as mentioned before on it being coupled with the Winter season. Lets now use the example of Brazil against the country with the worlds strictest lockdown, Peru, in the same continent as them. Their lockdown was militarised but they still have a higher death rate per capita and less susceptible number of people to run through than Brazil

Peru population = 33,114,228 million - Covid deaths = 34,033 (1,028 deaths per million population)
Brazil population = 213,032,208 million - Total Covid deaths = 156,528 (735 deaths per million population)

Source - https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

My point is if you looked at all the graphs and you were blinded to the label of each country. I'd be surprised if you could tell me just by looking at them which countries lockdown and which didn't.

Correction on page 52 - 23 days after 23 March 2020 (lockdown) in theory would give us a peak infection to fatality date of at least 15th April 2020.

Using the whole UK data from the page https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

8th April (peak of epidemic) - 1,073
15th April (affect of lockdown) - 878

Again this shows the rate was already falling before the affect of the lockdown could come in.

Looks like the lockdown mastermind Prof. Ferguson agrees [i'Coronavirus: enforcing UK lockdown one week earlier 'could have saved 20,000 lives' [/i

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-ferguson

Only true of course if you believe lockdowns actually have a significant impact, I have my doubts.

Correction on page 52 - 23 days after 23 March 2020 (lockdown) in theory would give us a peak infection to fatality date of at least 15th April 2020.

Using the whole UK data from the page https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths

8th April (peak of epidemic) - 1,073
15th April (affect of lockdown) - 878

Again this shows the rate was already falling before the affect of the lockdown could come in.

Looks like the lockdown mastermind Prof. Ferguson agrees [i'Coronavirus: enforcing UK lockdown one week earlier 'could have saved 20,000 lives' [/i

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... l-ferguson

Only true of course if you believe lockdowns actually have a significant impact, I have my doubts.

Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Protect the vulnerable and those most at risk.

https://gbdeclaration.org/

Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere

https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

Here's another interesting campaign involving Bill Gates, his overreach is everywhere

https://www.decadeofhealth.co.uk/

So, that is your own position on the pandemic.
What happened to the Global Rest, I cant see it mentioned on there.

Also and perhaps most importantly, there is nothing mentioned there on what action should be taken as cases rise and hospital demand increases to the point where there is no more hospital capacity which has been the focus of most of the European nations - to be in a position where hospital demand does not exceed capacity

Any ideas ?

Also, some very well qualified signatories on the declaration but, do we take their opinion over the equally / better qualified medics that are currently influencing the direction of travel in each country that is currently not signed up.

Ultimately, there is no absolute "right way" of dealing with this, that much seems pretty clear and why should we trust "your" experts over those currently "in charge" and there will of course be a political influence added to whichever path is chosen.

Your earlier posts regarding "re set" etc no longer seem to be in play or, did I miss something ?

So, that is your own position on the pandemic.
What happened to the Global Rest, I cant see it mentioned on there.

Also and perhaps most importantly, there is nothing mentioned there on what action should be taken as cases rise and hospital demand increases to the point where there is no more hospital capacity which has been the focus of most of the European nations - to be in a position where hospital demand does not exceed capacity

Any ideas ?

Also, some very well qualified signatories on the declaration but, do we take their opinion over the equally / better qualified medics that are currently influencing the direction of travel in each country that is currently not signed up.

Ultimately, there is no absolute "right way" of dealing with this, that much seems pretty clear and why should we trust "your" experts over those currently "in charge" and there will of course be a political influence added to whichever path is chosen.

Your earlier posts regarding "re set" etc no longer seem to be in play or, did I miss something ?