Quote coco the fullback="coco the fullback"Thanks for that. An excellent way to illustrate exactly what I'm getting at. The journal you quote was published in June 2020 by CDC, the research appears to have been carried out on a very early US case of the virus (January 2020). They were investigating the nature of the SARS-CoV-2 including sequencing the whole genome. They were looking at which types of cell support amplification and replication of SARS-CoV-2 and which ones don't. They published their findings so that others could use the information in further studies. A quote: [i"These results are consistent with previous susceptibility findings for SARS-CoV and suggest other common culture systems, including MDCK, HeLa, HEP-2, MRC-5 cells, and embryonated eggs, are unlikely to support SARS-CoV-2 replication (20–22). In addition, SARS-CoV-2 did not replicate in bat EFK3B cells, which are susceptible to MERS-CoV. Together, the results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 maintains a similar profile to SARS-CoV in terms of susceptible cell lines."[/i Unfortunately, this section seems not to have been picked up. Some fine quote mining and cherry-picking then took place and popped up in an assorted number places on the internet: https://angloamerica101.wordpress.com/2 ... an-beings/ https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/10/a ... ars-cov-2/ https://drtomcowan.com/only-poisoned-mo ... FpbCI6ICJq The power of the internet is huge and many are persuaded by such scandalous headline-grabbing stories. Not many will take the time to check the original source or the background of those promoting the lies. Interestingly, the wording seems to have been copy/pasted in many places. The problem is this was picked up by pseudo-scientists with vested interest and then published on a number of 'blogs' with their own interpretation of what it said. Can you tell me who Sally Fallon Morell is and what are her qualifications? I hope she's not just someone with dubious scientific claims about nutrition trying to sell her books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A. ... lon_Morell Oh and a doctor: Dr. Tom Cowan (the irony just hurts sometimes) https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fact ... -1.5506595 Anyway, check out this thread on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... ney_cells/ So, is preventing the spread of this fake, and potentially dangerous, information censorship or are people being protected from such myths?'" That’s his a*rse handed to him on a plate. Great post.

Quote coco the fullback="coco the fullback"Thanks for that. An excellent way to illustrate exactly what I'm getting at. The journal you quote was published in June 2020 by CDC, the research appears to have been carried out on a very early US case of the virus (January 2020). They were investigating the nature of the SARS-CoV-2 including sequencing the whole genome. They were looking at which types of cell support amplification and replication of SARS-CoV-2 and which ones don't. They published their findings so that others could use the information in further studies. A quote: [i"These results are consistent with previous susceptibility findings for SARS-CoV and suggest other common culture systems, including MDCK, HeLa, HEP-2, MRC-5 cells, and embryonated eggs, are unlikely to support SARS-CoV-2 replication (20–22). In addition, SARS-CoV-2 did not replicate in bat EFK3B cells, which are susceptible to MERS-CoV. Together, the results indicate that SARS-CoV-2 maintains a similar profile to SARS-CoV in terms of susceptible cell lines."[/i Unfortunately, this section seems not to have been picked up. Some fine quote mining and cherry-picking then took place and popped up in an assorted number places on the internet: https://angloamerica101.wordpress.com/2 ... an-beings/ https://ourgreaterdestiny.org/2020/10/a ... ars-cov-2/ https://drtomcowan.com/only-poisoned-mo ... FpbCI6ICJq The power of the internet is huge and many are persuaded by such scandalous headline-grabbing stories. Not many will take the time to check the original source or the background of those promoting the lies. Interestingly, the wording seems to have been copy/pasted in many places. The problem is this was picked up by pseudo-scientists with vested interest and then published on a number of 'blogs' with their own interpretation of what it said. Can you tell me who Sally Fallon Morell is and what are her qualifications? I hope she's not just someone with dubious scientific claims about nutrition trying to sell her books. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_A. ... lon_Morell Oh and a doctor: Dr. Tom Cowan (the irony just hurts sometimes) https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/fact ... -1.5506595 Anyway, check out this thread on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... ney_cells/ So, is preventing the spread of this fake, and potentially dangerous, information censorship or are people being protected from such myths?'" That’s his a*rse handed to him on a plate. Great post.

Yes I am fortunate to be in the 99.9% but then so is 99.9% of 68,000,000 people.

Had I been in the .1% I can assure you I still would not want all this restrictive crap om my account.

Do you not see either, that the restrictions are totaly dis-proportionate to the effect covid is having. Does not the figure of 99.9% have any meaning to you?

You say I am disrespectful to the tiny percentage of affected people but equally you are being dis respectable to those commuting suicide, those with mental health problems with no support, well, a damn site less than before this crap. There will be a massive spike in cancers due to a delay in diagnosis or lack of regular treatment. People who had jobs that have now gone. How will that affect them? Jobs are not all about money but not being able to pay the rent or mortgage can lead to all kinds of anxiety within families. How do you think the aged are coping not being able to get a hug from a loved one, or dying alone with no relatives to comfort them. Children and women being abused in the home because they have no where to go is massively on the increase. All this and more. People in the streets shuffling along in their masks and visors scared witless by the constant updating of death or infection figures thanks to your fellow enablers in the BBC.

On May 23rd the German newspaper Das Bild titled: “Dramatic consequences of the Corona-Measures: 52,000 Cancer Ops delayed.”

Answer these wrencat.

How many children should starve in order to make you feel safe? Food banks over run.

How many families must go bankrupt in order to make you feel safe.

How many business owners should lose everything they have worked for in order to make you feel safe?

How many people have to lose their jobs and their life savings in order to make you feel safe?

How many school leavers should have no work to go to in order to make you feel safe?

Come on wrencat come up with the number of people that you think should surrender their lives and livelihoods for YOUR feelings and YOUR safety.

AND YOU CALL MY VIEWS TO END ALL THIS "DISRESPECTFUL AND DISTASTEFUL "
PLEASE SHOW SOME RESPECT YOURSELF FOR ALL THE ABOVE.

UNBELIEVABLE.

Wonderful post BB, and your first one too. Very impressed with your deep insight into all aspects of this long running argument. Amazing how you dissected all the information contained in the post and presented them on the forum so articulately.
Well done too on creating an account in order to express your deep feelings on the subject so eloquently.

For or against I look forward to reading your fascinating analyses in future posts.

Wouldn't that be considered a form of domestic abuse?

If they terrorize the populace then not only is it domestic abuse but terrorism.

I don’t and never will debate with people who’ve allowed themselves to be brainwashed. Utterly pointless.

Please carry on embarrassing yourself.

I don't blame you. However, I am here should you wish to debate.

I must warn you though I haven't been brainwashed into carrying hand sanitizer, , wearing a mask, wearing a visor, keeping 2 metres from fellow human beings, restricting my gatherings to 6 or less, clapping in the street every thursday, painting rainbows, queuing in the street, not hugging, not shaking hands, not kissing, Hanging onto Matt and Boris's every word, watching rugby played in empty stadiums, following arrows, keeping to one way systems, quarantining, using the word "bubble" , staying home, staying safe, plastering posters all around my premises, erecting screens, painting arrows, instructing clients where to stand or sit, etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.

Apart from all that, yeah, I think might have been brainwashed



Please note, the list may added to
For wrencat, I copied and pasted all those etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.etc. etc.'s

And in further news, news you may or may not see on the BBC. Here we have some copy and pasting wrencat of reports doing the rounds .And to think of the crap I've faced on here for advocating the uselessness of the lockdowns. But Hey Ho. The World Health Organization (WHO) announced Sunday that it no longer recommends economic lockdowns to fight the novel coronavirus, effectively reversing its position. The WHO has never acknowledged a change in policy on the subject, but its envoy now says that complete economic lockdowns, like the kind occasionally proposed by American lawmakers unsatisfied with the pandemic’s trajectory in the United States, have dire economic consequences and could be responsible for increasing poverty. “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” Dr. Nabarro remarked, noting that lockdowns don’t simply affect domestic economic production, but also tourism and global trade. Earlier this week, thousands of medical health experts signed their names to a petition calling for the end of coronavirus lockdowns, citing the “irreparable damage” they’ve caused. "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition, known as the Great Barrington Declaration. "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health." In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -lockdowns WATCH: Dr David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: 'We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method'. Watch the full interview here: https://t.co/XLdaedsKVS #SpectatorTV @afneil | @davidnabarro pic.twitter.com/1M4xf3VnXQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB19TBUo https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74

And in further news, news you may or may not see on the BBC. Here we have some copy and pasting wrencat of reports doing the rounds .And to think of the crap I've faced on here for advocating the uselessness of the lockdowns. But Hey Ho. The World Health Organization (WHO) announced Sunday that it no longer recommends economic lockdowns to fight the novel coronavirus, effectively reversing its position. The WHO has never acknowledged a change in policy on the subject, but its envoy now says that complete economic lockdowns, like the kind occasionally proposed by American lawmakers unsatisfied with the pandemic’s trajectory in the United States, have dire economic consequences and could be responsible for increasing poverty. “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” Dr. Nabarro remarked, noting that lockdowns don’t simply affect domestic economic production, but also tourism and global trade. Earlier this week, thousands of medical health experts signed their names to a petition calling for the end of coronavirus lockdowns, citing the “irreparable damage” they’ve caused. "As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists, we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection,” read the petition, known as the Great Barrington Declaration. "Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health." In the United States, lockdowns have been tied to increased thoughts of suicide from children, a surge in drug overdoses, an uptick in domestic violence, and a study conducted in May concluded that stress and anxiety from lockdowns could destroy seven times the years of life that lockdowns potentially save. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... -lockdowns WATCH: Dr David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: 'We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method'. Watch the full interview here: https://t.co/XLdaedsKVS #SpectatorTV @afneil | @davidnabarro pic.twitter.com/1M4xf3VnXQ https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medica ... r-BB19TBUo https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavir ... 7731c3da74

I don't recall making a comment on this thread before now but I realise I must have because every time a post is made it flags up in the corner of my screen, maybe I might have made a teeny one earlier when a simplistic view was all it took instead of a page and a half lecture on things we don't really need to know, however I digress I can remember you in the late fifties and the early part of the sixties when armed with your sandwich board planted firmly on your shoulders along with your banner revealing that the world is nigh used to walk up and down Kirkgate to as far as the ground at Bellevue peddling your beliefs, and I say that without a hint of sarcasm, and it leads me to think that it must be so much easier for you now with the social media outlets available that you can now reach out to thousands upon thousands of people to instill your beliefs on, good old days don't apply here

Well, seeing as the world was on the brink of nuclear war back then what did you expect on my sandwich board.
And yes, it is much easier nowadays, those gabadeen macks could get awfully wet and smelly during a Belle Vue winter.
Thankfully Mr Khrushchev, on a visit to Trinty, saw my sandwich board, went home, had a think, and the whole thing was called off.
The best one was the sandwich board of 1938. "HITLER MUST BE STOPPED."
Thankfully Mr Churchill was taking in Trin v Fev, saw my board and the rest is history



You say
"lecture on things we don't really need to know"

16.525 views, some may disagree with you. But your objections have been noted.
Sorry 16,584 views.

Anything else ?

Just a few of my points of view for all you lockdown believers.
Covid 19 is relatively harmless to the majority of the popolation [latest figures out to 18 Oct. 2020 show the average median age of death with covid 19 is 82 years and more significantly the presence of comorbidities is in 90% of all cases / deaths.
Throughout this pandemic the Goverment has manipulated the Covid stats to present the strongest possible case for supporting lockdowns and other rules that are impinging on our basic freedoms, and not necsessarily the true picture behind this virus.
We never get the data breakdowns of covid deaths, e.g. what were the age bands and were there any underlying serious conditions / comorbidities? Many of these deaths with covid were not actually the sole cause for those that, sadly passed away.
Yes,they may have had the virus,but alongside other serious conditions they had,it wouldn't have helped - but the cause of death Covid 19 only? i don't think so.
Statistics for England also show that age is the strongest predictor of death by Covid19, for over 75 s if you get the virus 11.6 % will die from it. For the age group 65 - 74 the risk of death if you get the virus is 3.1% ,for age group 45 - 64 the risk is 0.5% and for 15 years to 44 years old the risk is 0.03 %
Also for some reason, men are nearly twice as likely to die from covid than females, figures to date show approx. 64% male deaths to 36 % for women.
Furthermore the "Great Barrington Declaration" which thousands of scientists and academic professionals from around the world have signed recently has stated that the costs of lockdowns, rules re hospitatility, the 3 tier system etc. etc. are causing 1000's and thousands of unnecessary deaths from the NHS and hospitals not dealing with other serious medical issues or people not seeking treatment due to the incessant messages from the goverment.
The goverment should protect the vunerable and let the rest of us get on with living our normal lifes, nobody is stopping you self isolating or wearing a mask if that is what you want,or that is the science that you choose to believe.
Flu, pneumonia, heart disease, cancer ,alzeimers, suicides, deaths from these if put side by side with covid19 and we will all be able to judge better the risks,
Like that old lass of 83 from Barnsley on the BBC news yesterday, who hit the nail on the head, she said she won't be around when the bill for all this comes in, but our children and grandchildren will be paying for all this madness for years to come.

Good post Kev.
Also the thing that really boils my urine is the following...
"New infections/Deaths with a positive test in the last 28 days"
What does that tell us?
For example, you could be infected, but with no symptoms, get knocked down by a bus and be recorded as one of these deaths....


As for the 83 year old, good proper Barnsley lass - says what she sees!
....bet she was a warm 'un in her youth!