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Quote: Prince Buster "Correct The last press release by chester was the final straw for many players. There have been weeks of snide remarks about them over this season and it was obvious that eventually there would be a response.

Chris Chester is probably a decent bloke but he has spent his life in rugby league. Players are also people. He probably knows more about playing the game than most . However his ability to deal with people is very limited. You need a totally different skill set to do that and a life playing rugby league will not give you that. That is why good coaches are few and far between. People just think a person will make a good coach because he was a good player and can lead a team on the field. However it dosnt end there because a coach must be a good people manager and that is probably the most difficult part of the job.

Time to go Chris, just accept you are not up to it. You have probably tried your best but failed.'"


From someone who is not a Trin fan, that's how I see it from the outside looking in.

Ask yourself whether you would be motivated to bust a gut for an employer that:
- Didn't exactly offer the best renumeration anyway, but at least you can accept that as a trade-off for potentially a 2-year deal instead of a 1-year one.
- Was one of the last to agree a post-COVID pay deal with the players union.
- After agreeing said deal, made a sinister public comment that "we will remember those that didn't work with us" to the press.
- Went on a fan's forum to belittle the concerns of a player who felt he needed to take a second job during the lockdown, arguing "I wish I earned what he did when I was 21" (despite that likely being 30+ years ago).
- Has seen the company named and shamed by HMRC for breaching minimum wage regulations.
- Has backed his coach as he spoke to the media about sacking players in the coming weeks.

Carter is free to run the club how he wants and he and Chester are free to treat the players how they want (within the law), but they aren't free to expect that doing so will come without consequences and I would argue that recent results are a consequence of those actions. You can talk about the player's "professionalism" and "getting on with it", but the club has a duty to ensure that the players feel valued and motivated. I've worked for people who display the sort of behaviours that Carter seems to do in public and if there is only one thing that they are universally good at, it is demotivating and driving good people out of a business - and business results suffer as a result.

From the outside looking in, Wakefield's problems aren't necessarily about a lack of talent - the much bigger issue is about a lack of respect for the players and a poor culture at the very top.

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Quote: Wildmoggy "So are we saying the 2 wins are in spite of covid issues, injuries etc, and the 10 defeats because of covid issues, injuries etc?!!!! The performances simply weren't good enough to warrant winning, maybe the players stopped feeling sorry for themselves, rolled up their sleeves and had a go!! It just looked like a team free of something today, especially in the 1st half. There are a lot of talented players in this squad who have been underperforming badly for whatever 'reasons.' Great to see smiles and enjoyment back again!!'"


It’s not exactly rocket science when you look into it...

We lost nine straight after lockdown...

Seven of those were against teams currently sat in the top four.

One was a ‘home’ game against Huddersfield that we ended up playing at theirs and was an even game barring Aidan Sezer who was the clear difference between two struggling sides....the other loss being a tight game against a depleted Hull side but we were depleted too...Hull were favourites to win the game at every bookies in the land....

We didn’t have home advantage in any of those games which for a team like us is a major plus...we had injuries, disruptions and were in a rut and low on confidence....we slowly started getting our star players and match winners back on the field though...game changers like Johnstone and Fifita...our pack leaders and experience in Ashurst and Arona and I’d even add BJB into that.

We’ve then taken on two beatable teams...Huddersfield without them having home advantage and came through to win that, then the first game since lockdown that we’ve been favourites to win...with home advantage...with the majority of our quality players on the field and we’ve put them to the sword...

You could see in the first half the confidence come flooding back...giving the ball some air, offloads, numerous players backing breaks up etc...

That’s how I see it anyway...

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Quote: upthecats "It’s not exactly rocket science when you look into it...

We lost nine straight after lockdown...

Seven of those were against teams currently sat in the top four.

One was a ‘home’ game against Huddersfield that we ended up playing at theirs and was an even game barring Aidan Sezer who was the clear difference between two struggling sides....the other loss being a tight game against a depleted Hull side but we were depleted too...Hull were favourites to win the game at every bookies in the land....

We didn’t have home advantage in any of those games which for a team like us is a major plus...we had injuries, disruptions and were in a rut and low on confidence....we slowly started getting our star players and match winners back on the field though...game changers like Johnstone and Fifita...our pack leaders and experience in Ashurst and Arona and I’d even add BJB into that.

We’ve then taken on two beatable teams...Huddersfield without them having home advantage and came through to win that, then the first game since lockdown that we’ve been favourites to win...with home advantage...with the majority of our quality players on the field and we’ve put them to the sword...

You could see in the first half the confidence come flooding back...giving the ball some air, offloads, numerous players backing breaks up etc...

That’s how I see it anyway...'"


Yeah but you're kind of missing the point......I know for a fact if we had lost yesterday it would have been because of late withdrawals, 2nd game in 4 days etc etc.....they are not reasons, they are excuses!! You talk about previous games, we lost to Hull, Wigan, Saints, we lost because someone knocked on in the 71st minute, threw the ball into touch in the 67th minute, gave a stupid penalty away etc etc, they are actual reasons why we lost those games?! When the players were out there in those games in the heat of battle, no-one is thinking about covid issues etc, they just didn't play well enough to win. Most of the other games were just very poor performances, bordering on unprofessional. Catalans away we were virtually at full strength, hardly any disruption with team changes, same 17 and had 8 days to prepare against a team who were playing their 3rd game in 7 days, and we were abysmal, explain?! Anyway i'm pleased we have performed better and finally given us something to smile about icon_wink.gif

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Quote: upthecats "It’s not exactly rocket science when you look into it...

We lost nine straight after lockdown...

Seven of those were against teams currently sat in the top four.

One was a ‘home’ game against Huddersfield that we ended up playing at theirs and was an even game barring Aidan Sezer who was the clear difference between two struggling sides....the other loss being a tight game against a depleted Hull side but we were depleted too...Hull were favourites to win the game at every bookies in the land....

We didn’t have home advantage in any of those games which for a team like us is a major plus...we had injuries, disruptions and were in a rut and low on confidence....we slowly started getting our star players and match winners back on the field though...game changers like Johnstone and Fifita...our pack leaders and experience in Ashurst and Arona and I’d even add BJB into that.

We’ve then taken on two beatable teams...Huddersfield without them having home advantage and came through to win that, then the first game since lockdown that we’ve been favourites to win...with home advantage...with the majority of our quality players on the field and we’ve put them to the sword...

You could see in the first half the confidence come flooding back...giving the ball some air, offloads, numerous players backing breaks up etc...

That’s how I see it anyway...'"


Couldn't agree more.
There have been some poor performances, Catalan being the one that springs to mind, but sometimes it goes wrong. That's just the point. No one would have minded that if the others had been ok, but because of the reasons you give above, they weren't. I'm not saying it was ok to lose so many on the bounce, but in this situation it was perfectly understandable.
Even just the not playing at home thing is a pretty big thing. Remember how St Helens fair when they had to play a season at Widnes? They really struggled. And they were a lot better than us.

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