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| Quote Miro="Miro"How about checking this out, this is just one statistic out of many. This statistic is taken from the "Dataset: Deaths registered weekly in England and Wales" Document from the governments website, Office for national statistics.
Week 16: "
Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease" = 1,794
"Deaths where Covid19 was mentioned on the death certificate" = 8,758
The first problem here is that 8,758 is part of the official Covid19 death number but Covid19 is a respiratory disease and this is how it kills, so why isn't the respiratory number 8,758?
The second problem is that 1,794 is the average death rate by respiratory disease and has been for years, it drifts up and down slightly due to season. So Covid19 is being put on death certificates and reported as Covid19 deaths, when it wasn't the cause, the death figures are just as usual, people are just dying as usual, Covid19 isn't happening, it's a fiction, so what's really going on ?
And an anecdote from another forum.
I had a friend who wasn’t feeling that great recently so she decided to rule out Covid-19 by ordering a test, when that test arrived she noticed that they sent her 2 instead of just the 1, when she phoned and asked what she should do about the test she didn’t need, they said just pop it back with your used test. When she phoned to get the her results, they told her that both tests were positive, even though 1 of them was unopened and still in its protective wrapping. Strange but true.'"
I thought I would have a look at the statistics you quoted and looked at them slightly different to you.
Have you thought that they have attempted to separate usual deaths from respiratory disease from COVID-19 deaths. Can you also explain why the average deaths shot up by 10k during that week or was that a coincidence? | | |
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This thread is hilarious, it really is.
The fundamental point of governments putting themselves at risk of not getting re elected and racking up unprecedented levels of debt, based on some kind of scam and those governments being left, right and centre, and all other forms of coalition, in order to "control the population" is off the scale.
I've no idea who you voted for at the last election and frankly, dont care but, has our governments actions made you more or less likely to vote for them next time.
If your answer is "less likely, then, just what have they gained ?
Or are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader.
There is little doubt that the scientists will always go with a worst case scenario but, denial is equally wrong..
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| Quote Jethro Gibbs="Jethro Gibbs"
Well Jethro if I'd suggested last year in early 2019 that we should shut down large parts of the NHS in mid March and call for a 'Stay at Home Order' as part of a scientific experiment to find out how much society relied on the NHS, you'd have called me crazy person with dangerous ideas. If the experiment had gone ahead would you expect mortality for the year to increase or decrease?
Looking at the stats in 2019 the average percentage of beds occupied in the NHS was 88% compared to 2020 at the peak of the pandemic in early April - 42.94%. This poses the question, did stopping NHS hospital treatment lead to more deaths than the virus?
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And what about seeing your GP , trying to get an appointment , little chance, and still the same 7 months later.
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You’re correct in saying bed occupancy is normally around 88% and if I accept your early April of 42.94%, your probably correct in that this could result in deaths as people weren’t being seen or admitted, however not 10k in one week. The drop in percentage would be down in respect of elective surgery not being operated on but this wouldn’t result in such a large number
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Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"This thread is hilarious, it really is.
The fundamental point of governments putting themselves at risk of not getting re elected and racking up unprecedented levels of debt, based on some kind of scam and those governments being left, right and centre, and all other forms of coalition, in order to "control the population" is off the scale.
I've no idea who you voted for at the last election and frankly, dont care but, has our governments actions made you more or less likely to vote for them next time.
If your answer is "less likely, then, just what have they gained ?
Or are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader.
There is little doubt that the scientists will always go with a worst case scenario but, denial is equally wrong..'"
Wrencat, I have explained all this. But as for re election. Are not you and the majority of people in this country in full agreement with all Boris is doing? From where I'm sat that is the case and Labour are no opposition. In fact they are pushing Boris even further down the road of sanctions so northing to fear there for the Tories.
Re election ? Why ever not wrencat.
And this.....I have uploaded this before but you must have missed it...The Great re set plan. And believe you me wrencat, when they say JUMP, our leaders JUMP.
This is the portion you need to take most notice of.
“the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
[size=150Global Elites Announce ‘Great Reset’ Plan—And It’s Even More Radical Than the Green New Deal
July 10, 2020
By Justin Haskins [/size
link here
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/ ... n-new-deal
Or better still, this one...Horses mouth and all that.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/ ... eat-reset/
At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world.
At a virtual World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world economy.
“We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this [COVID-19 crisis. Its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,” said Prince Charles, one of the leaders of the event.
The purpose of the “Great Reset” is to use the coronavirus pandemic as a justification—attendees repeatedly referred to it as an “opportunity”—to completely overhaul the entire global economy, including the U.S. economy, to make a more “equitable” world and to fight climate change, which was on numerous occasions identified as the world’s next great “crisis.”
n an article published on the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab said “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
Sorry to say, I don't think the "GREAT RE SET" will include the likes of Trinity. 
And you say this thread is”Hilarious” wrencat. That's your opinion based on, sorry to say, ignorance.
But I will give you credit for one of your quotes:
“are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader “ 
Well actually, I think you could be right.
But from where I'm sat they are most probobly in place already.
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Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"This thread is hilarious, it really is.
The fundamental point of governments putting themselves at risk of not getting re elected and racking up unprecedented levels of debt, based on some kind of scam and those governments being left, right and centre, and all other forms of coalition, in order to "control the population" is off the scale.
I've no idea who you voted for at the last election and frankly, dont care but, has our governments actions made you more or less likely to vote for them next time.
If your answer is "less likely, then, just what have they gained ?
Or are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader.
There is little doubt that the scientists will always go with a worst case scenario but, denial is equally wrong..'"
Wrencat, I have explained all this. But as for re election. Are not you and the majority of people in this country in full agreement with all Boris is doing? From where I'm sat that is the case and Labour are no opposition. In fact they are pushing Boris even further down the road of sanctions so northing to fear there for the Tories.
Re election ? Why ever not wrencat.
And this.....I have uploaded this before but you must have missed it...The Great re set plan. And believe you me wrencat, when they say JUMP, our leaders JUMP.
This is the portion you need to take most notice of.
“the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
[size=150Global Elites Announce ‘Great Reset’ Plan—And It’s Even More Radical Than the Green New Deal
July 10, 2020
By Justin Haskins [/size
link here
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/ ... n-new-deal
Or better still, this one...Horses mouth and all that.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/ ... eat-reset/
At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world.
At a virtual World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world economy.
“We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this [COVID-19 crisis. Its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,” said Prince Charles, one of the leaders of the event.
The purpose of the “Great Reset” is to use the coronavirus pandemic as a justification—attendees repeatedly referred to it as an “opportunity”—to completely overhaul the entire global economy, including the U.S. economy, to make a more “equitable” world and to fight climate change, which was on numerous occasions identified as the world’s next great “crisis.”
n an article published on the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab said “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
Sorry to say, I don't think the "GREAT RE SET" will include the likes of Trinity.
And you say this thread is”Hilarious” wrencat. That's your opinion based on, sorry to say, ignorance.
But I will give you credit for one of your quotes:
“are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader “
Well actually, I think you could be right.
But from where I'm sat they are most probobly in place already.
Would you like me to show you how the "pLandemic" was planned as long ago as summer 2019? | |
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I thought I would have a look at the statistics you quoted and looked at them slightly different to you.
Have you thought that they have attempted to separate usual deaths from respiratory disease from COVID-19 deaths.
But someone else will look at them slightly different to you and I. That's the problem, nothing is clear and any statistic is so open to interpritation they are almost useless.
Anyway, as I have demonstrated above, the "corona virus" isn't the issue. The "virus" or the flu as it's otherwise known, is mearly the vehicle for slashing and burning OUR economy, turning us into mask wearing, track and traced, deferential anti social vaccinated zombies while they (the above) do there worst.
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Quote Miro="Miro"Wrencat, I have explained all this. But as for re election. Are not you and the majority of people in this country in full agreement with all Boris is doing? From where I'm sat that is the case and Labour are no opposition. In fact they are pushing Boris even further down the road of sanctions so northing to fear there for the Tories.
Re election ? Why ever not wrencat.
And this.....I have uploaded this before but you must have missed it...The Great re set plan. And believe you me wrencat, when they say JUMP, our leaders JUMP.
This is the portion you need to take most notice of.
“the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
[size=150Global Elites Announce ‘Great Reset’ Plan—And It’s Even More Radical Than the Green New Deal
July 10, 2020
By Justin Haskins [/size
link here
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/ ... n-new-deal
At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world.
At a virtual World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world economy.
“We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this [COVID-19 crisis. Its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,” said Prince Charles, one of the leaders of the event.
The purpose of the “Great Reset” is to use the coronavirus pandemic as a justification—attendees repeatedly referred to it as an “opportunity”—to completely overhaul the entire global economy, including the U.S. economy, to make a more “equitable” world and to fight climate change, which was on numerous occasions identified as the world’s next great “crisis.”
n an article published on the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab said “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
Sorry to say, I don't think the "GREAT RE SET" will include the likes of Trinity.
And you say this thread is”Hilarious” wrencat. That's your opinion based on, sorry to say, ignorance.
But I will give you credit for one of your quotes:
“are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader “
Well actually, I think you could be right.
But from where I'm sat they are most probobly in place already.
Would you like me to show you how the "pLandemic" was planned as long ago as summer 2019?'"
The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, they said .
Sorry but you and I will have to agree to disagree
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Quote Miro="Miro"Wrencat, I have explained all this. But as for re election. Are not you and the majority of people in this country in full agreement with all Boris is doing? From where I'm sat that is the case and Labour are no opposition. In fact they are pushing Boris even further down the road of sanctions so northing to fear there for the Tories.
Re election ? Why ever not wrencat.
And this.....I have uploaded this before but you must have missed it...The Great re set plan. And believe you me wrencat, when they say JUMP, our leaders JUMP.
This is the portion you need to take most notice of.
“the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
[size=150Global Elites Announce ‘Great Reset’ Plan—And It’s Even More Radical Than the Green New Deal
July 10, 2020
By Justin Haskins [/size
link here
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/ ... n-new-deal
At a virtual World Economic Forum meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world.
At a virtual World Economic Forum (WEF) meeting, global leaders from the United Nations, United Kingdom, United States, International Monetary Fund and multi-national corporations discussed and announced a plan to develop a “Great Reset” of the entire world economy.
“We have a golden opportunity to seize something good from this [COVID-19 crisis. Its unprecedented shockwaves may well make people more receptive to big visions of change,” said Prince Charles, one of the leaders of the event.
The purpose of the “Great Reset” is to use the coronavirus pandemic as a justification—attendees repeatedly referred to it as an “opportunity”—to completely overhaul the entire global economy, including the U.S. economy, to make a more “equitable” world and to fight climate change, which was on numerous occasions identified as the world’s next great “crisis.”
n an article published on the World Economic Forum’s website, WEF founder and Executive Chairman Klaus Schwab said “the world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.”
“Every country, from the United States to China, must participate, and every industry, from oil and gas to tech, must be transformed,” Schwab added. “In short, we need a ‘Great Reset’ of capitalism.”
Sorry to say, I don't think the "GREAT RE SET" will include the likes of Trinity.
And you say this thread is”Hilarious” wrencat. That's your opinion based on, sorry to say, ignorance.
But I will give you credit for one of your quotes:
“are we all going to be voting in Zuckerberg or Gates as our next leader “
Well actually, I think you could be right.
But from where I'm sat they are most probobly in place already.
Would you like me to show you how the "pLandemic" was planned as long ago as summer 2019?'"
The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one, they said .
Sorry but you and I will have to agree to disagree
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Quote MiroAnyway, as I have demonstrated above, the "corona virus" isn't the issue. The "virus" or the flu as it's otherwise known, is merely the vehicle for slashing and burning OUR economy, turning us into mask wearing, track and traced, deferential anti social vaccinated zombies while they (the above) do there worst.'" '"
This is a bit I don't understand. How do the 'elites' you mention benefit from the slashing and burning of the global economy?
Surely, these are the very people who benefit the most from the status quo and stand to lose the most should it change.
Something like Brexit, I can understand how the mega-rich can profit from the relative differences should the UK economy crash, but if the whole world drops off a cliff?
The world economic forum are very much focused on climate change and are clearly looking at ways of taking advantage of the "new normal" we find ourselves in. Can you show us any evidence of any organisation or people actually planning and deliberately causing this situation?
The step changes forced upon us show that it is possible to do things differently and also shows the benefits to the environment reduced travel has brought about.
Things like WFH, where possible, on-line meetings and education, increasing out-of-work benefits, solving homelessness, valuing care and medical staff, ... | | |
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Looked up Justin Haskins, not much on him, can't find any peer review of his work, he is mentioned on Fox News and his Wikipedia page is set for deletion. So I don't know what "proof" his word is
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