Whilst that is true currently they did get relegated twice from super league something we have miracously avoided. The appointment of Powell in 2013 seems to have been the catalyst for their improvement.

Man for man over last 7 years don’t think they have been any better individually as us, the difference I suspect is the quality of coaching and also their ability to get the best out of relatively ordinary players. Like us they have had an awful lot of couldn’t do it or slightly over the hill players.

Yet despite this in the last 3 years they have finished 5 th 3 rd and top of the table.

Looking at their squad they have a young home grown product in Truman (hampshire) , a let go from a big club in Richardson (miller) 34 year old Michael Shenton,(Atkins) Darrel Olpherts not wanted at Salford (lynne) 3 plodding forwards in Milner , Massey and Roberts, Pick ups from relegated clubs matautia, o Brian , (gigot, Kay )

Yes they do seem to have better quality young lads from the local area, and be more capable of protecting them from the big clubs picking them up at a young age.

I could go on but to me it’s not the players but the culture of the club be that coaching, the clubs position in local society, pride in playing for the club, we really looked to have kicked on 3 years ago and I thought the last 2 years after retaining most of the top 5 team would be our chance of success - ok injuries have been a big problem but then again it was for cas

Financially we probably don’t have much in the way of options at the moment, but I do think Chester either needs to go or the club needs to bring an experienced individual or team to support him.

Because there’s no end product from Miller and he doesn’t have as much to his game as other half backs. Yes he’s a fit bloke and looks busy but there’s not a single half back trait in anything he does.
No passing game, no vision, no kicking game, no creativity, he doesn’t open up defences, his decision making is awful when picking his passes, I could go on.

And seriously, you’re comparing Miller with Hastings and Austin?

I’ve nothing against Miller despite not rating him, he’s probably a great bloke who works hard and does his best but he’s nowhere near good enough as a First Choice Half at SL Level.

They don’t watch the dross we serve up week in week out do they

It’s actually 25 losses from the last 30 games v SL opposition, a 16.66% win ratio over 30 games!

I certainly don't celebrate defeat I'm one of the worst losers ever but some of the posts really annoy me. Players get slagged off whatever number shirt they are cos they can't create can't tackle their too slow too fat too old the coach is crap the backroom staff are useless the conditioner is rubbish need I go on. Maybe its how I perceive these posts but surely there are positives somewhere, and I'm sure some of our players are quite good.

Well I will answer the question about Miller The reason he does not luck as good as he should is simple Mr Chester should have spent most of this year's budget on a Quality scrum half and hooker to give him more space on the field .The number of times he was hit late be Wigan players .because we had no more options on the park .We are way behind clubs in these position ..Phil Clark said in commentary he through we were the only team in S L that did not use our full back as a extra attacker You can see why Miller does not look as good as he could do .And Clarke comment sums up the coaching for me

It's the inevitable consequence of a terrible win loss ratio that also includes being nilled. I think the point is many of them are quite good, which only compounds the problem