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No I don’t need to read anything. I’m a 50+ male and I remember how it used to be. Despite the corruption and almost every ism you can think existing in the police up until the millennium they still managed to fulfil what most ratepayers consider the lie core responsibility.

Yes there are grey areas of course there are and in some ways modern policing is exceptional especially when solving major crimes. I also accept that there were far more bad apples in the old days, I found that out myself after a boozy night when I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. Yet annoyed though I still am I would still on balance prefer it as it was. It may have got a bit tasty around Wakefield in the late 70’s but when you got home you were fairly sure that for the rest of the week you wouldn’t get robbed, your house wouldn’t get burgled, your car would be there in the morning. Most notably if you were being plagued by yobs in your area you knew one phone call would see the police firmly deal with it. Yes there were some areas that were exceptions but not many, now it’s almost anywhere.

Like it or not the police of the past had two things the modern police force has lost. Whose fault it is I’m open to ideas but what can’t be donors is that it’s happened and it will be very difficult to get back.

So what am I on about?

The honest British person used to respect the police. They saw them as there protectors against low life. These same people now se the police as soft and generally useless, more likely to support the criminal than the victim. Doesn’t matter how right or wrong they are it’s how the vast majority see it. The police though not totally to blame are still very much the authors of there own demise.

You simply stopped looking after decent folk, instead attempting to be mates with low life. If I see another policeman fawning over some foul mouthed thug rather than just manhandling him into a van I’ll scream.

There was a time In my younger years when I would always aid an officer, not now, now I feel id end up the one in custody. I hate to say it but now I’d just turn and walk away. Shocking I know but it’s your own fault, you’ve dumped your fan base instead courting popularity with the very people you should be closing down.

The tragedy is that criminals, especially the petty ones are just laughing at you. Trust me they view the average beat copper as a joke and I suspect they are right.

Start being policemen again, arrest baddies especially serial offenders and prosecute to the absolute limit. That is all you need to do to get the law abiding public back on side.

Who'd have known here in Wakefield we'd have all the top expert scientists on diseases, and that they'd all be members of this forum ?????

50+?

add the other 10

Well I got a chemistry set and doctor's set for Christmas!!!! I've now become Boris's official adviser.

Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I take it that you have heard the figures today for the "differential" in deaths this year, compared to any others ?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52974416 Can you explain the spike or, is it just one of those things ? I would, as I mentioned in my previous post, that the figures are massively underplayed, primarily to help prevent utter panic among the masses. As for comparisons to Sweden, really ?? The population in Sweden is much younger than in the UK and without anything like the same density, not to mention that they have something like 60% of people living on their own, which is why, despite them not "locking down", they dont have the same numbers as we do here, although their death rate per 100,000 is actually higher. I fully agree regarding some of the consequential deaths. Of course there will be more people dying form other seemingly unrelated deaths but, I would go back to, what would have happened without the lockdown and Northern Ital would be the best example of what can happen without drastic measures being taken. The numbers there were shocking and just imagine how much worse they may have been, without the drastic measures that were imposed.'" Well, you cannot have it both ways. You make excuses for Sweden yet ignore the facts of an aging population and the terrible pollution problems of northern Italy, very similar to China as it happens.. You say the figures are "massively underplayed" you have a source for this? At least I quote real doctors. You quote the BBC (lol) who are refusing to interview many of the doctors and scientists who oppose the lock down etc. yet at the same time reveal they, or someone, are telling porkies over the actual figure. Up or Down..trustworthy are they? Apparently, by your statement NOT. Oh yes, it would appear many Italians donot agree with you. https://theduran.com/enraged-italians-a ... c-as-scam/ Meet the ‘orange vests’ Hundreds of Italian demonstrators gathered in Rome’s Piazza del Popolo on Tuesday, ditching their masks in a protest against the Italian government’s lockdown restrictions aimed at controlling the spread of COVID-19. The group, which calls themselves the ‘Orange Vests,’ is led by retired Carabinieri general Antonio Pappalardo, who doesn’t believe children should be made to wear masks, according to TIME. Refusing to wear a mask himself, Pappalardo said “These lungs mine. I will take care of my lungs. Breathing is sacred.” The people packing the square didn’t adhere to social-distancing guidelines set by the government. Pappalardo portrayed such containment measures as an infringement of freedom. Other speakers at the protest asserted that the pandemic ‘’never existed’’ and alleged that politicians had played it up to enhance their own powers. –TIME Elsewhere in Rome, opposition leaders, including League Party chief Matteo Salvini, marched on Tuesday to demand that the government resign. Unveiling an Italian flag along the Via del Corso, Rome’s central artery, the gathering soon turned into a procession led by Salvini and two other party leaders: Giorgia Meloni of the right-wing Brothers of Italy, and Antonio Tajani, who co-founded former PM Silvio Berlusconi’s -right Forza Italia, according to France24. According to a Facebook post by Salvini, the march was “a symbolic gesture to make heard the voices of the citizens who do not give up.

Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"I take it that you have heard the figures today for the "differential" in deaths this year, compared to any others ?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52974416 Can you explain the spike or, is it just one of those things ? I would, as I mentioned in my previous post, that the figures are massively underplayed, primarily to help prevent utter panic among the masses. As for comparisons to Sweden, really ?? The population in Sweden is much younger than in the UK and without anything like the same density, not to mention that they have something like 60% of people living on their own, which is why, despite them not "locking down", they dont have the same numbers as we do here, although their death rate per 100,000 is actually higher. I fully agree regarding some of the consequential deaths. Of course there will be more people dying form other seemingly unrelated deaths but, I would go back to, what would have happened without the lockdown and Northern Ital would be the best example of what can happen without drastic measures being taken. The numbers there were shocking and just imagine how much worse they may have been, without the drastic measures that were imposed.'" Well, you cannot have it both ways. You make excuses for Sweden yet ignore the facts of an aging population and the terrible pollution problems of northern Italy, very similar to China as it happens.. You say the figures are "massively underplayed" you have a source for this? At least I quote real doctors. You quote the BBC (lol) who are refusing to interview many of the doctors and scientists who oppose the lock down etc. yet at the same time reveal they, or someone, are telling porkies over the actual figure. Up or Down..trustworthy are they? Apparently, by your statement NOT. Oh yes, it would appear many Italians donot agree with you. https://theduran.com/enraged-italians-a ... c-as-scam/ Meet the ‘orange vests’ Hundreds of Italian demonstrators gathered in Rome’s Piazza del Popolo on Tuesday, ditching their masks in a protest against the Italian government’s lockdown restrictions aimed at controlling the spread of COVID-19. The group, which calls themselves the ‘Orange Vests,’ is led by retired Carabinieri general Antonio Pappalardo, who doesn’t believe children should be made to wear masks, according to TIME. Refusing to wear a mask himself, Pappalardo said “These lungs mine. I will take care of my lungs. Breathing is sacred.” The people packing the square didn’t adhere to social-distancing guidelines set by the government. Pappalardo portrayed such containment measures as an infringement of freedom. Other speakers at the protest asserted that the pandemic ‘’never existed’’ and alleged that politicians had played it up to enhance their own powers. –TIME Elsewhere in Rome, opposition leaders, including League Party chief Matteo Salvini, marched on Tuesday to demand that the government resign. Unveiling an Italian flag along the Via del Corso, Rome’s central artery, the gathering soon turned into a procession led by Salvini and two other party leaders: Giorgia Meloni of the right-wing Brothers of Italy, and Antonio Tajani, who co-founded former PM Silvio Berlusconi’s -right Forza Italia, according to France24. According to a Facebook post by Salvini, the march was “a symbolic gesture to make heard the voices of the citizens who do not give up.

"Moon landing" Whaaaaaa ???? Is that the best you can come up with PopTart. I have gone into quite some detail, quoted WHO, doctors, and this is your best argument??

Please point out the portions of my post that are "trivial" This is a discussion about "Politics and Pandemics" is it not? How about cutting out the insulting innuendoes. What was said earlier? "Am I going to go out and burn down 5G towers? I make little wonder so few people post on this board anymore. And I though you were one of the reasonable types. How wrong was I.

Look.
"Most people, well, a significant portion will not get this virus at all at any point in the epidemic which is going on for a long period of time. Of those who do, some will get the virus without even knowing it.

The will have the virus with no symptoms at all....asymptomatic carriage and we know that happens.
Of those who get the symptoms, the great majority, probably 80% will have a mild or moderate disease. Might be bad enough for them to have to go to bed for a few days, not bad enough for them to to have to go to a doctor.
An unfortunate minority will have to go to hospital and the a minority of those will up having to go to severe and critical care and some of those will sadly die.
But that's a minority...it's 1% or possibly even less than 1% and even in the highest risk groups this is significantly less than 20% i.e. even the great majority of people even the very highest groups if they catch this virus will not die."

I don't get why you can't see how ridiculous you allegations are though.
You haven't actually answered any of my points.
The death toll is massively higher than die of flu.
The death toll of tested cases is clearly into the pandemic levels
'Hundreds' of people protesting in Italy doesn't make the pandemic fake, it just means 'hundreds' of people don't like being told what to do.
WHO say it's a pandemic.

The best you can say on your evidence is that the numbers collected are not necessarily accurate but in no way is it fake. Actual people are dead.
I know two people who work on the Covid ward in Pinders. They think it's real. They worked their off trying to save lives, some they did many the couldn't.

I can't really understand your thought process.

So you are saying there is a pandemic then?
Disease spread world wide is the definition of a pandemic.

You are right on all those numbers you quote. It's just I'm not ok with 1% dieing. Or making the number bigger by spreading it.

Read again, it says "epidemic"
You cannot disagree with "1%" quote.