Yes some people fall for things on buses and others fall for left wing propaganda

I don't know about 16 billion a year but 'the ONS reports that the UK government's net contribution to the EU – that is, the difference between the money it paid to the EU and the money it received – was £11.0 billion in 2018 compared with the £20.0 billion theoretical liability. '
[urlhttps://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31[/url

Or to use another website like Fullfact they have it at 9 million a year we contribute.

[urlhttps://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/[/url

As they say

So maybe not what EW said but a whichever way you look at it a fair crack.

The question also has to be asked, even if we do pay in all this extra and will thus have a saving, who the F in their right mind thinks it will be spent on the working classes or the services predominantly used by them?!

And if people think the EU nationals are gonna have to leave most of em will be able to apply for settled status anyway. Not to mention most immigration still comes from outside the EU anyway. Can't wait for the huge difference we'll see when we finally 'get Brexit done'







P.S - excellent post on the death penalty SC

What I do find unbelievable is that the Tories give us 10+ years of austerity, then blame the immigrants and us this to suggest that we leave the EU and over half of the country dances to their tune.
If there had been sufficient funding for education and the NHS etc, nobody would have batted an eyelid but, "we" have been squeezed like never before and e are trusting the very people that have denied benefits to the disabled and terminally ill to put things right



Having said that, labour were a shambles and should have knocked the Tories off the political map but failed miserably - it's bloody depressing.
One thing Boris Johnson isn't, is a man of the people - never has been and never will be and when you look at who is sitting next to him round the cabinet table (Rees Mogg and Pritti Patel etc) God help us.
The ecconomy is already flat lining and "we" think they are going to spend money up North, it's embarrassing.

This is the same party that has already tried to kill off industry in Yorkshire in the 80's

They do say, be careful what you wish for.

All true, but you only need a computer and a bit of time and the want to truly learn & educate yourself on things , however left or right you may be.


Personally just about everyone one I know except for a few far lefties, fall pretty much dead , probably like most of the country when it generally comes to how we want our country to work and be perceived by others. That is most people support socialised medicine via the NHS and want those in genuine need through no fault of their own to be helped by the government. They don’t support ill-judged military meddling in the affairs of others. They believe in fair play and warmly welcome legal immigrants who want to become British and contribute to society. They don’t mind their taxes being spent on the deserving. Unless I'm misjudging people & without getting too deep, that's what most people want.

Well if he doesn't keep to at least some of his promises, especially up North. I can't see as many people being fooled again, cue The Who song, Won't Get Fooled Again......
[urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/14/boris-johnson-plans-to-go-on-spending-spree-in-north[/url

IMO Labour have only themselves to blame. Corbyn was too wishy washy on certain matters and the people of Wakefield were clearly fed up with Creagh and Cooper going against their constituents on Brexit. Personally I was torn on Corbyn, he was more articulate and intelligent then Johnson who hid in a fridge to avoid an interview, but at the same time I was concerned at his idea that terrorist prisoners should be rehabilitated and not deported (or better yet shot).

Miscarriages of justice some are so clear cut they shouldn't breath oxygen, had the police not disposed of the London attacker we would of just give a cell to other waste of life, it's time the law was tougher

And no I'm not a conservative

Don't be sorry .Good post.

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