and we lost to thuds- just really shows the position we are in - hudds have already got 4 points in the bank to-how long if at all before we get 2 wins

plenty of time in the season yet. wins will come. we have a solid team and have been unlucky but we have plenty to work on . we didnt start last year well either remember? and that turned out alright

we also went within 4 of hull. admittedly in the rain but still

the floggings are good for our good for and against- cant get flogged tomorrow night though- if we catch them on wins we will be in good shape

Vasty does not rate Cas , those of us who were predicting that Cas would finish in top two were ridiculed. Those of us who said MCShane is quality were verbally abused . Cas will hammer many sides this season , will be interesting to see how Wigan set their stall out against them as I think Wane is possibly the only coach who has the Rugby brains to work out a game plan and gave the players at his disposal who understand a game plan .

if we don't lose by more than 18 we will still have a better for and against than leeds and hudds

Win by 4 and go above Saints.

Vastman's intense hatred of cas, does I feel cloud his judgement. ...I'm sure he will be along soon to spout the usual drivel of "player for player theres not much difference between cas and wakey and it's only DP's coaching skills.
While Powell's influence is not to be ignored, to ignore that cas have half a dozen players that would walk into a top four side shouldn't be ignored either

Cas were on fire tonight - no doubt; Leeds were gash, but I think Cas would have smashed most sides tonight.

I don't much like it - but they are playing probably the best brand of rugby in SL right now; free-wheeling and inventive in attack, and tough and uncompromising in defence. It's lovely to watch.

I think Cas are a top 4 side now - not getting carried away but they look to have all the ingredients right. Hard running and offloading pack - Gale in the halves and a backline with Eden, Hardaker, Webster et al.

What they lack is depth but if they can stay relatively injury free they could go great guns this year

They are an exceptional side to watch thats for sure, hardly a surprise that they sold the ground out tonight. Whether they are ready to win trophies i'm not sure but they won't die wondering.