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Quote: TRB "But your petty jealousy against anyone who stuck their hand up and tried to help is irrelevant here - Al has never rubbed shoulders with the management and has always stood shoulder to shoulder with the 'man on the terrace'.'"


(This is not about Al, by the way, never met the guy, and is just an observation from the past decade or so.)

No petty jealousy here. I admire those who help, I don't have the time to sadly, and don't have a problem with those. I've always had a problem with those who were quick to brown nose whoever was in charge for their own ends. Management should always keep as far away from supporters as possible.

Those who were quick to slurp up to Rogerson, Richardson, Elston and Glover then kick them once it all went wrong. Those are the ones who do my head in.

If it means upsetting some to run the club on as close to an even keel as can be possible in sport, so be it. The long term future of Wakefield Trinity is far more important than any of us individually.

If I come across as bitter, so be it. When you see "super fans" banging on about being loyal and stuff on here when scrabbling for freebees, you start to get annoyed. C'est la vie.

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Quote: PopTart "I would say though, in reference to the business v social club debate, in my opinion it is very definitely a business.

Sports clubs are a very specific business that rely on loyal customers but that is no different to Next, Cineworld or William Hill.

It is good to have a business that will get customers that buy your product no matter what you do, but equally, it should always be accepted that you can pick up and lose customers based on your decisions.

MC could decide the investment in the team should be reduced and could send us to Championship as a conscious business decision based on attendances and general income so that he can run the business more efficiently.
The loyal supporters will still come, but many will stop watching or watch elsewhere because the product has changed.

In sporting clubs, the customers (us) think they have a stake in the club.
Although there is a very clear emotional stake, they don't really have a say, except to not buy the product any more, which will influence the decision.
Same as for Marks and Spencer and any other retailer'"


That would be like opening a roundabout next to the Alton Towers entrance, you'll get some fares because some peeps love roundabouts but most will go for the big rides inside the theme park.

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I've been following this story from time to time but still don't have the full picture. Whilst I appreciate it was now a while ago what exactly was the incident with Big Al? Was he denied entry with a drink? Did a steward rough hand him? What happened please since it all appears to be riddles at the moment.

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Quote: PopTart "I would say though, in reference to the business v social club debate, in my opinion it is very definitely a business.

Sports clubs are a very specific business that rely on loyal customers but that is no different to Next, Cineworld or William Hill.

It is good to have a business that will get customers that buy your product no matter what you do, but equally, it should always be accepted that you can pick up and lose customers based on your decisions.

MC could decide the investment in the team should be reduced and could send us to Championship as a conscious business decision based on attendances and general income so that he can run the business more efficiently.
The loyal supporters will still come, but many will stop watching or watch elsewhere because the product has changed.

In sporting clubs, the customers (us) think they have a stake in the club.
Although there is a very clear emotional stake, they don't really have a say, except to not buy the product any more, which will influence the decision.
Same as for Marks and Spencer and any other retailer'"


If Trinity were a business in the real sense it would have died some time in the early 70's as would the game as a whole.

Ditto now, Carter isn't keeping the club going as a pure business interest as he knows he won't get much of his money back - who invests in a business where a loss is a certainty, come on, he'd be better off buying lottery tickets. His reasons may be many and complex and although he's intent on running it in a business like way which I admire he knows it's not ever going to perform like a real business and that is a fact.

So no a RL club is not and never will be a real business and will always depend on the goodwill of it's customers to survive in a way Tesco or any real business never could or would never expect to.

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Quote: wildshot "I've been following this story from time to time but still don't have the full picture. Whilst I appreciate it was now a while ago what exactly was the incident with Big Al? Was he denied entry with a drink? Did a steward rough hand him? What happened please since it all appears to be riddles at the moment.'"



Try reading the 2nd post on Page 15 of this thread (by RealSteel)

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Many thanks Fordy. It is clearer for me now.

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