I might be wrong in this but didn't agar pick briscoe/lynn combo against fev and they scored mostly down there side. Then picked same two against wigan, if true THAT, is not the actions of a good coach.Also if we were so held back by the late arrival of our overseas players why didn't he prepare or "experiment" with the players we had.Because i for one thought with work permit/visa problems they may never arrive and not to prepare what we had to cover etc was unprofessonal in such an important season for the club.

Of course he prepared. He played Wildie at scrum half. That was our option until Godinet came. Why is that even an issue.

I think it is time to move on because I don't think there are many more aspects of the club that could be laid at the door of our coach. I liked Ellis but if he was better than Aiton then he would be playing in super league not the championship.
I doubt a coach would have much input with regards the youth development at the club, we have others for that who I expect will report to him regarding how individuals are progressing. His responsibility would be the first team squad.
We all have our players who we don't like, I said before I never understood how the likes of Henderson, Golding and on his performances with us Ferres got into the team.

Only one of those is a fact, and not one that proves any particular point; Ellis did *not* singlehandedly win those games - he played his part.

Here's another fact - despite RA's ineptitude at failing to spot the talent of such a pivotal player, that same player now plies his trade on a part-time basis at Featherstone; two off-seasons have passed, and not one of the big-spending, talent-spotting clubs have picked him up. Go figure.

Criticise away - but don't pin your argument on Andy Ellis; it's just daft.

We'll find out how good Agar is as a coach at the end of the season. He will have his work cut out keeping this team up when Bradford get some of their points back and sign up two or three more players. He will live and die by his decisions and so will the club.

You are right we will and just remind me who were the favourites for the drop pre season, remind me the mire we were in last summer remind me how quick we have had to put a team together on a reduced budget.

Remind me at the end of the season if we stay up or go down. Instead of people bagging all and sundries we should be behind the team win or lose if we are 12th or above this season that will be a remarkable achievement in 12 months of the club.
Sometimes we will get paggered it's a fact live with it, if some of our players were good enough for 'better' teams then they would have been snapped up.

I agree about Ellis, he did not do it by himself, Big Frankie helped him.

Nobody can dispute what you are saying and pre season, pretty much everyone said that they would be very happy with finishing 12th this season and building from there.
However, on the back of comfortable wins against London and Catalan and an excellent 60 minutes against Saints, it was reasonable to expect a performance (if not victory) against a struggling KR team.
Instead, we had some strange selections and a totally inept performance and quite rightly, the fans that pay their hard earned wages at the turnstiles question the merit of some of the players and the guy who picked the team.

We didn't just get beaten last week, we got smashed and this was against a team that, although they have played some of the better teams in the comp, had only managed 1 win all season (against a struggling Bradford).
Our efforts in this game were simply not good enough, regardless of the off season, pre-season or strength of the squad and the supporters deserve better !

Rant over.

But people on here keep saying that this squad is better than last years so surely those pre-season predictions count for nothing now as the expectations are now higher than getting thumped by an average side like Hull KR. Unless the team isn't actually that good after all then yes fair enough.

You'd be wrong to doubt that because that's exactly what happens, the Head Coach will set out what he wants from the Youth Development at his club, he will have a major input on who the coaches are especially at U19 level (do you honestly think we appointed Stuart Dickinson without consulting Richard Agar) and he'll set out his philosophy and convey it to the Head of Youth Development. The head Coach's priorities for the clubs future will also have a bearing on the level of resource available to the youth set up, a selfish coach will drag every last penny and every resource into 1st team matters leaving the youth set up to starve and wither. One of the reasons Drury left was that Agars philosophy wasn't the same as his, they didn't agree and Drury wasn't happy that he couldn't do his own thing and decided to leave.

It maybe a better squad time will tell but as a team they are still not fully settled I am pretty sure next season if we stay up our overseas players will be far better they take time to settle but they are here to play, life is full of ups and downs and team sport is no different I don't think we are that good yet but the signs are there oh and the average Hull K R side that has only lost to the top teams this season and spend to the full cap I think a re-evaluation is needed