First of all I hope the mods don't merge this with the first Agar out thread, This thread is a chance for people to reflect and debate minus the raw emotion.

Also I find these conversations very difficult.

At the end of the day we are talking about a mans future and that of his family and that should never be taken lightly.

However it probably needs talking about rationally sooner rather than later.

I've held back because I find it takes about 48 hours to get a real view of games like Thursdays.

In isolation no way would I sack a coach or even complain about him after the Bradford game.

However we are not talking in isolation here. Agar has not had an easy ride at the club, he was an unpopular choice from the start - the club has never really recovered IMO from the first collapse in 2010 and Agar inherited a mess - he was then left high and dry by Glover. So to say he has mitigating circumstances is an understatement but then what Trinity Coach hasn't.

The real worry for me however is that since the play off run we have pretty much been in free fall with just a short spluttering into life last season that lasted just long enough to spare our blushes. He seems to repeat the same mistakes time and time again. I also get the impression that when we do win it's because the players wanted it which basically makes Agar redundant and that is a disaster. There is for me no feeling that this is an Agar team, in the way there was with JK air Andy Kelly or Toppo - he just seems like a bureaucrat rather than a leader of men. I just don't see anything in what Agar does that remotely inspires me and I think most of us have given him a fair go. I have certainly attempted to support him from day one. Of course I could be wrong and we may be on the brink of greatness but I wouldn't risk my clubs future on it.

So I'm not going to beat around the bush - if we feel he can't do it and eventually will have to go then for all our sakes sack him now and get it over with. Sorry Richard, I don't know you and I wish you no personal ill but for me it's just not happening - at any level.

So who to replace him?

Only one choice for me and that's Glenn Morrison. Not because he's a great Coach, he's not he's still wet behind the ears. Nor is it because he's a great bloke, I mean is he? I don't know I've never met him and does it matter anyway? No it's because he IMO suits WTWRLFC and the predicament it finds itself in. He has some charisma and seems to have that uncanny knack of impressing people and as a club captain leading young and or average players to be the best they can be. I can't really prove any of this for certain, it's more a gut feeling but I suspect it's one felt by many of us.

He may only gift us one or two more games than Agar, but that's probably all we need. As for whether he is the long term answer who knows.

It's been a while since Trinity outright sacked a coach, but I think it's probably over due in terms of showing the players in particular that BV is not a holiday camp.

Thanks for 2012 Richard, and I look forward to the replies.

PS: Other coaches names can be thrown in, it's not just a Morrison thread.

Wait till he describes the fight to avoid relegation 'exciting'.

it is we've been there

It would be good if we could put our best 17 together and play them together for a 3/4 week period which would help with a team gelling together. That has been another issue on top of all the other ones already raised with players already playing out of position in the 3rd week of the season.

How did Walshaw do at prop?

There needs to be a marked improvement in cohesion over the next fortnight for me to justify keeping him. I don't expect the finished article but the signs of progress should be there. There wasn't much sign today that we are any further on than we were against salford.

This is the crux for me.
I judge Agar on team improvement. He has a new team again.
Clearly we need wins but it's unfair to judge him when we lose to Wigan.

The team has to show improvement over the next few weeks though. I don't mind if we lose to top sides on form but 2 big games and improvement needed from team rather than creating skill in individuals who don't have it.