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| Quote Spanish Hipster="Spanish Hipster"Of course you are right, it's a bit late in the day for this, however would you believe anything that has come out from the Bradford club of late! It's a new company and I believe the employees have to TUPE over to that company, perhaps on reduced terms??'"
You can't TUPE over on reduced terms.
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| Quote t-r-i-n-i-t-y="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"You can't TUPE over on reduced terms.'"
That's how i see it, however nobody yet has proved that is the case, until then it is just a rumour.
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| Quote asmadasa="asmadasa"McShane and Wildie.'"
Neither are front line goalkickers though, Wildie especially. Maybe Siejka is a kicker.
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| RFL in talks with four potential Bulls owners, two of whom will back them if relegated, according to Gary Carter's twitter feed.
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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"RFL in talks with four potential Bulls owners, two of whom will back them if relegated, according to Gary Carter's twitter feed.'"
Have the RFL tried as hard to find us new investors since Glover left?
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| The RFL aren't getting them the potential new owners for Bradford, they have to approve them, just like they did with Glover.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"The RFL aren't getting them the potential new owners for Bradford, they have to approve them, just like they did with Glover.'"
Are you really naive enough to believe that? The London based businessman who has a history in rugby union and just happened to have been involved with the RFL through some marketing work on the world cup just coincidently looked and saw a debt-laden club up north and thought 'i'll have a bit of that' did he? Give over.
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| Quote t-r-i-n-i-t-y="t-r-i-n-i-t-y"You can't TUPE over on reduced terms.'"
Ordinarily that's true; however, TUPE rules are slightly different in the case where the outgoing employer is insolvent, which I believe is the case here. Terms and conditions of employment *can* be varied during transfer of undertakings (with the agreement of trade union or employee reps) provided the variations are designed to save the business.
If there is any truth to the rumour of some players opting out of the TUPE, they would sacrifice the majority of their rights and entitlements as part of the process, but it could have the result of making them effectively free agents, which would explain the Carvell situation.
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| Quote Wakey Til I Die="Wakey Til I Die"Are you really naive enough to believe that? The London based businessman who has a history in rugby union and just happened to have been involved with the RFL through some marketing work on the world cup just coincidently looked and saw a debt-laden club up north and thought 'i'll have a bit of that' did he? Give over.'"
I have no reason to think otherwise so I guess the answer is yes I am that naive.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Ordinarily that's true; however, TUPE rules are slightly different in the case where the outgoing employer is insolvent, which I believe is the case here. Terms and conditions of employment *can* be varied during transfer of undertakings (with the agreement of trade union or employee reps) provided the variations are designed to save the business.
If there is any truth to the rumour of some players opting out of the TUPE, they would sacrifice the majority of their rights and entitlements as part of the process, but it could have the result of making them effectively free agents, which would explain the Carvell situation.'"
OK bulls arent or werent at the time insolvent, thay had merely appointed administrastors.
AFAIK you have to be made insolvent through the courts, which they havent been.
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| Quote kinleycat="kinleycat"OK bulls arent or werent at the time insolvent, thay had merely appointed administrastors.
AFAIK you have to be made insolvent through the courts, which they havent been.'"
I don't think so.
Being in administration, OK Bulls will have been considered to have been in ‘relevant insolvency proceedings’ that ‘are not with a view to the liquidation of the assets of the transferor.' As such, TUPE regulations are broadly applicable, but newco has greater scope to vary the T's and C's of employment.
It seems academic now, as Carvell looks like the only one to jump ship; I assume he did so by refusing the varied terms and conditions, but that is just an assumption. He could just as easily have negotiated his way out to reduce the Bulls wage bill.
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