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| This is true, however the fans are the clubs biggest customers, and are entitled to opinion.
The club do waste money sometimes though, which could be spent better elsewhere, such as when we have had entertainers from programmes such as Britains Got talent playing well before kick off to empty stadiums.
I heard somewhere that these people charge 2-3k just for a short slot like that
Even warm weather camps cost a lot, and some of the more successful clubs of late have knocked this on the head and done survival camps in the hills
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| Quote Wondering Wildcat="Wondering Wildcat"This is true, however the fans are the clubs biggest customers, and are entitled to opinion.
The club do waste money sometimes though, which could be spent better elsewhere, such as when we have had entertainers from programmes such as Britains Got talent playing well before kick off to empty stadiums.
I heard somewhere that these people charge 2-3k just for a short slot like that
Even warm weather camps cost a lot, and some of the more successful clubs of late have knocked this on the head and done survival camps in the hills'"
Doesn't every club waste a bit of money trying to increase interest in matchday. We seem to be better than some others at frittering money away. All depends what market you are looking to attract, if it's girls, Britains Got Talent may get them in, but for me junior rugby teams playing at half time or just before kick off are more entertainment and it's a way of creating stronger bonds with amateur clubs. What 9,11 or 13 year old rugby player wouldn't jump at the chance of playing at Belle Vue. Maybe i'm a bit old fashioned?
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| Supporters have a right to question what goes on at the club. It shows their desire that they want the club to be the best it can be. It also keeps the club on its toes.
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| It will be interesting to see the number of posters who comment on the positive thread regarding Kirmond in comparison to the negative one about pre-pack. Noticed someone actually bumped the pre pack thread with a casual mention about Kirmond!
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| There is a difference between asking questions of the club and just moaning, the club is coming out of a dark period and for AG to post a statement , as he did about the clubs finances and what they are looking to do about it takes some front. AG is trying to be as transparent as he can about the main things that the fans are concerned about, but people will always find something else to pick up on.
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| Its quite simple, only post on positve or negative threads depending on you're views.
No ones broken any rules and the posters who want everything they don't like locked, well maybe forums are not the right place for them.
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| Quote OutwoodWildcat="OutwoodWildcat"Why do our supporters always try to find negative facts around the club, blindly not taking notice to the good that The Club, AG and JE are doing. Also supporters who say they will not attend if we go into admin (even though I'm confident we won't). Basically what they'll be doing is turning they're back on the club when they most need our help! Can we stop the doom and gloom forums as they do not bring anything other than tedious debate. We know we aren't the most affluent club but Glover is doing his best! Concentrate on the good times ahead, I'm sure they will be many!'"
 If we won every major honour ,had millions in the bank some would still find negatives  just have to put up with them I suppose.
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| Having read the comments to various threads I believe the debate has been excellent , if the debate hadn’t taken place we would have been reading Headlines of winding up orders . When AG and JE took over THEY promised TRANSPARENCY in everything e.g. Financial and the 1873 scheme , it’s of great credit to the posters on here that they actually forced them to do what they say and say what they do.
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| Posts like this annoy me,
We have the same on our own independant board, People who try to see no wrong and blindly support.
I think the serious issues like this need highlighting and discussing. AG may be doing his best, But if his best isn't good enough and he is driving you straight into Admin, Something needs to be done about it!
For years on our board we had posters trying to expose RW for his incapabilities, And many shunned them for not having the rose tinted spectacles on, The change probably came 5 years too late, And made the task 10 times harder.
Its alright patting them on the back when they have done well, But its your club they are controlling, If they aren't doing it right. They need telling too.
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| I support the club not AG or JE and whilst I am grateful for AG buying the club at the time he did, I don't think that makes him immune from criticism . Clearly, he has done some good things but equally there are still signs that the club has not been run as well as it should be. I seem to recall after last years issue with the tax man we were told it was an admin error and it wouldn't happen again, yet here we are facings a winding up order from them.
The attitude of hmrc is well known and this is one bill that any business needs to keep on top of. They appear to be heading in the right direction with the appointments of people with a financial background, but why was that not done after the last oversight?
In summary I believe that far from doom mongering the comments on previous threads turned out to be pretty accurate and as someone else said we would not know what we do know had the club not felt the need to respond to the speculation and IMO valid questions raised.
I also think that by and large people have taken on board the contents of AG statement and have a more understanding view of some of the reasons why we are in the position we are.
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| Quote Tricky2309="Tricky2309"I support the club not AG or JE and whilst I am grateful for AG buying the club at the time he did, I don't think that makes him immune from criticism . Clearly, he has done some good things but equally there are still signs that the club has not been run as well as it should be. I seem to recall after last years issue with the tax man we were told it was an admin error and it wouldn't happen again, yet here we are facings a winding up order from them.
The attitude of hmrc is well known and this is one bill that any business needs to keep on top of. They appear to be heading in the right direction with the appointments of people with a financial background, but why was that not done after the last oversight?
In summary I believe that far from doom mongering the comments on previous threads turned out to be pretty accurate and as someone else said we would not know what we do know had the club not felt the need to respond to the speculation and IMO valid questions raised.
I also think that by and large people have taken on board the contents of AG statement and have a more understanding view of some of the reasons why we are in the position we are.'"
I'm not saying that AG or JE are immune from any criticism. I just feel more recognition for what they have done in the past 18 months (new roof on the north stand, opening a proper shop in a shopping centre instead of the IKEA-esque hut we had before etc.) Like stated in his Q&A the finances have taken a hit with not playing the Leeds home game. The feeling is that if we had cas earlier in the season instead of London and Leeds wasn't called off, and obviously we had a sponsor who didn't fiddle taxes, we wouldn't be in a situation where people can doom-monger at all.
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