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| Quote The Dreadnought="The Dreadnought"Walshaw will go back on loan, Reece Lyne & Molloy have a break. Don't you agree that the squad would be alot stronger?'"
No I don't agree that dropping players that have earned another shot will make us stronger because it tells players that however you play if your face fits your in, if it doesn't your out, no effort required by some players.
Here's a question for you, out of the games that Wood has started recently do you think he has played better with Smith or without him?
It seems to me that he took on the challenge and the responsibility on Sunday and thrived on it, which leaves a couple of questions to be answered next week, if Smith plays will he be the passenger that he's been for most of this season and will Wood go back to being a bit part half back dominated by Smith leaving us in a situation once again where we don't have an effective half on the field.
Last season Agar stumbled onto the winning team selection that made the run that got us into the playoffs because of injuries, he may have got lucky again if he perseveres with the team that played against Wigan in what are two easier tasks, but he'll need to show some b******s and leave players out for the greater good.
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"No I don't agree that dropping players that have earned another shot will make us stronger because it tells players that however you play if your face fits your in, if it doesn't your out, no effort required by some players.
Here's a question for you, out of the games that Wood has started recently do you think he has played better with Smith or without him?
It seems to me that he took on the challenge and the responsibility on Sunday and thrived on it, which leaves a couple of questions to be answered next week, if Smith plays will he be the passenger that he's been for most of this season and will Wood go back to being a bit part half back dominated by Smith leaving us in a situation once again where we don't have an effective half on the field.
Last season Agar stumbled onto the winning team selection that made the run that got us into the playoffs because of injuries, he may have got lucky again if he perseveres with the team that played against Wigan in what are two easier tasks, but he'll need to show some b******s and leave players out for the greater good.'"
Yes but will he? No. These players are very good when they're on form. Like I said if they are fit play them, if they are still carrying minor knocks then dont. This game is a must win. Walshaw I believe won't be available for selection. Wood has learnt alot of Timmy, he has had a good game with Timmy against the Catalans and also had a good game against Wigan.
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"How does "Pretty much the same team" convert to bringing back Ali, Smith and Aiton and dropping three that played against Wigan? As much as that performance on Sunday was a valiant effort against a team that we couldn't beat it seems to me that those that played on Sunday deserve the chance to put the team back on a winning track against far easier opposition next time out barring injuries considering how poor the previous performances containing your three returnees have been.'"
Totally agree!
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| Quote The Dreadnought="The Dreadnought"Yes but will he? No. These players are very good when they're on form. Like I said if they are fit play them, if they are still carrying minor knocks then dont. This game is a must win. Walshaw I believe won't be available for selection. Wood has learnt alot of Timmy, he has had a good game with Timmy against the Catalans and also had a good game against Wigan.'" I can't recall Smith kicking on the fifth tackle very much this season unless it was on the opposition line which he hasn't been very effective at either, the last tackle plays have been embarrassing and very frustrating for most of it and it seems to me the the reason has been that Smith hasn't been fit enough to kick because they seem to have been throwing the ball to anyone but him and no one has known what the hell was going on, I can't see that one week off is going to make him fit enough to be taking 30/40 effective kicks at the end of sets. On Sunday for the first time in ages there seemed to be a plan, and players capable of executing it, why change it?
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"I can't recall Smith kicking on the fifth tackle very much this season unless it was on the opposition line which he hasn't been very effective at either, the last tackle plays have been embarrassing and very frustrating for most of it and it seems to me the the reason has been that Smith hasn't been fit enough to kick because they seem to have been throwing the ball to anyone but him and no one has known what the hell was going on, I can't see that one week off is going to make him fit enough to be taking 30/40 effective kicks at the end of sets. On Sunday for the first time in ages there seemed to be a plan, and players capable of executing it, why change it?'"
Like I said if they're not 100% don't play any of them. Wood has got a decent kicking game and if they both do play why can't wood take over kicking duties? Me nor you don't pick the team so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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| For me it would be same again those players that put so much effort in against Wigan deserve better than to be left out.Those players that were out injured certainly aint set the house on fire.Aiton had only just started to up the anti but playing the full 80 the way he does is taking too much out of him.Wood has shown against Catalan and Wigan that he has something in him and giving Smith another week or so rest could be a good thing.It gives Wood more game time to show more of what he can do and Smith more time to recover.If you do a good enough job one week then you should get that chance to do the same the week after.
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"No I don't agree that dropping players that have earned another shot will make us stronger because it tells players that however you play if your face fits your in, if it doesn't your out, no effort required by some players.
Here's a question for you, out of the games that Wood has started recently do you think he has played better with Smith or without him?
It seems to me that he took on the challenge and the responsibility on Sunday and thrived on it, which leaves a couple of questions to be answered next week, if Smith plays will he be the passenger that he's been for most of this season and will Wood go back to being a bit part half back dominated by Smith leaving us in a situation once again where we don't have an effective half on the field.
Last season Agar stumbled onto the winning team selection that made the run that got us into the playoffs because of injuries, he may have got lucky again if he perseveres with the team that played against Wigan in what are two easier tasks, but he'll need to show some b******s and leave players out for the greater good.'"
Just because the team did well doesn't mean every player deserves his spot. I still don't think Lyne was good enough and if available I would bring Tim Smith back to replace him (via Lee Smith going to centre)
Molloy I am torn. He tackled well against Wigan and was worth his shirt. Ali brings something different so it is not a like for like swap.
Walshaw goes back anyway.
and it's ironic that you single out Wood because he had a good game followed by a poor game and loads on here were saying he was useless, yet he now has a good game and he deserves his place. So you can see why Agar doesn't always do what is asked for on this forum.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"Just because the team did well doesn't mean every player deserves his spot. I still don't think Lyne was good enough and if available I would bring Tim Smith back to replace him (via Lee Smith going to centre)
Molloy I am torn. He tackled well against Wigan and was worth his shirt. Ali brings something different so it is not a like for like swap.
Walshaw goes back anyway.
and it's ironic that you single out Wood because he had a good game followed by a poor game and loads on here were saying he was useless, yet he now has a good game and he deserves his place. So you can see why Agar doesn't always do what is asked for on this forum.'"
Shouldn't keeping the shirt be the first rule of having a strong competitive squad or do we just accept that every player outside the so called first choice 17 is a stand by, thus leaving the elite players of the squad to please themselves when they choose to perform, as they seem to have done for most of this season, and what Ali brings to the game that is different was left at Headingley a season and half ago.
As for arguing that Molloy only tackled well, it's about time someone did, I've lost count of the number of times that posters on here have argued that we couldn't drop Aiton because he was half of the defence, haven't seen many saying we missed him on Sunday.
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"As for arguing that Molloy only tackled well, it's about time someone did, I've lost count of the number of times that posters on here have argued that we couldn't drop Aiton because he was half of the defence, haven't seen many saying we missed him on Sunday.'"
Isn't that because Wildie tackled his nadgies off in his stead?
Wasn't it 35 tackles in the game and none missed?
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| Quote Catnap="Catnap"snip, and what Ali brings to the game that is different was left at Headingley a season and half ago. '"
I disagree. He has been magnificent in some games for us. So whether right now he is able, he has not been a waste at Wakefield.
Quote Catnap="Catnip" As for arguing that Molloy only tackled well, it's about time someone did, I've lost count of the number of times that posters on here have argued that we couldn't drop Aiton because he was half of the defence, haven't seen many saying we missed him on Sunday.'"
I mean that as a positive about Molloy. I specifically watched him and he didn't miss a tackle so was implying that he shouldn't be just an extra man as has been suggested before.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Isn't that because Wildie tackled his nadgies off in his stead?
Wasn't it 35 tackles in the game and none missed?'"
Yes your right, but I was making the point that despite all the Aiton lovers fearing our weak defence when he was missing, which incidently is all that he was giving us at one point, Wildie proved that there are other players in the squad that are capable given the chance and being made to do it rather than standing back and letting someone else do it., and the same can be said for other players in the team that some consider to be irreplacable.
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