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| Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"I think 7th is very doable. I'm not sure Hull KR will be stronger this year, and Bradford under an ex-assistant might struggle early on. Catalan might slip down the rankings too, and Huddersfield, with new unproven coaches (one of whom took Huddersfield on a slide right down the table). London could be the surprise package under Tony Rea, because they have a decent squad, and he has always done a good job in the past with them.
For me, the team of the year will be Saints. Add Nathan Brown and Willie Manu to what they already have and I think there is something pretty good there. Wigan are consistent but blow it on the crucial ones, and I just think the Wire backbone is getting a little old. Top 4 will be Saints, Wigan, Leeds and Wire, with Hull getting fifth. I think we are reasonably in the pack for the next 3 places, with as good a shot as all of them, and arguably in a more settled position than Bulls, Huddersfield and Catalan. Cas and Widnes scrapping for the bottom again.
As always, September will prove that I'm talking rubbish.'"
Huddersfield with new unproven coach, one of whom took Huddersfield down table? Aren't you forgetting that Nathan Brown who you sem to think is going to be the flavour of the season at saints was the man in charge when slide started. By the way I hope you do have a good season, but hope giants have a better one.
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| Quote Grezzler="Grezzler"If Cas make the 8 I'll 8 my hat. The way we dominated them when the team clicked strongly suggests the same will happen this season. Cas for the wooden spoon !!!'"
You mean like we did when we kicked your ass on Good Friday at your place.
Just think you guys are carrying too much faith in Mr Agar....second season syndrome me thinks 
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| Quote nullius in verba="nullius in verba"Huddersfield with new unproven coach, one of whom took Huddersfield down table? Aren't you forgetting that Nathan Brown who you sem to think is going to be the flavour of the season at saints was the man in charge when slide started. By the way I hope you do have a good season, but hope giants have a better one.'"
It does seem that he lost the dressing room, but most coaches do eventually. What is apparent that your improvement was immediately apparent when Nathan Brown came on board, and your mid-season slumps usually coincided with Nathan Brown announcing he was going home at the end the season. Perhaps he just lost his authority when the players knew he was going. They certainly thought they knew best at the semi-final and look where it got them.
I think you might be in the scrap for the 6th to 8th position, but that isn't where you have been the last few years.
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| This 2nd season syndrome can also be an advantage, just watch any opposition next season who in a close final 10 minutes with the scores equal be running out to smother Sykesy from a field goal attempt, this will then show gaps in other parts of the pitch, We will have learnt from last season & probably put a bit of doubt in to opposing teams minds, in fact on the warm ups before kick off we should have Sykesy practicing 1 pointers !
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| Some of what Tim Smith does is undefendable - how do you coach to defend that Benji Marshall style, no-look pass he threw on Sunday to put Wildie away for example? He also seems, despite his ungainly running style, to have a step off either foot that will leave a few standing.
The long, cut-out pass might be a different animal - I guess if you're defending outside him there might be an opportunity to intercept, but it takes bottle and has to be executed right; getting it wrong will be costly.
One thing's for sure - if he carries on where he left off last season, he could easily be one of the most exciting players in SL and certainly, one of the best hb's; on song, he's easily as good as Broughy and not far off Dureau and Gower, albeit with different strengths to the latter two - I'd say his kicking game is weaker, but he's a far better passer of the ball.
Tim Smith - the Wakefield Wizard and subject of my new man-crush.
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| For me the halves are the key. Sykes was a revelation for me at 6 last year, showing career best form and in my opinion a little unlucky not to get International recognition.
Smith was also excellent but my concern with him is he has a history if struggling when the pressure and focus is on him. I think he thrives in the big fish small pond mentality and his form last year will mean he will be under more pressure this.
The fact he is a passing half rather than a line breaker will increase the importance of his team mates and coach. At times during his Wigan career he was targeted and went missing as he had no support runners and this affected his confidence. I hope he gets the support runners this year.
I see no reason why top 8 is not realistic. In my opinion 7th down will be a real dog fight and I see no reason why Wakefield should not be in the mix for that.
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| Quote jonh="jonh"For me the halves are the key. Sykes was a revelation for me at 6 last year, showing career best form and in my opinion a little unlucky not to get International recognition.
Smith was also excellent but my concern with him is he has a history if struggling when the pressure and focus is on him. I think he thrives in the big fish small pond mentality and his form last year will mean he will be under more pressure this.
The fact he is a passing half rather than a line breaker will increase the importance of his team mates and coach. At times during his Wigan career he was targeted and went missing as he had no support runners and this affected his confidence. I hope he gets the support runners this year.
I see no reason why top 8 is not realistic. In my opinion 7th down will be a real dog fight and I see no reason why Wakefield should not be in the mix for that.'"
Sykes has had a mixed career, I certainly never rated him but there is no doubt he looked like the consummate play making Stand Off in the second half of the season. It was like it had all finally clicked for the lad, and I don't think he will look back from this point. However as you know UK RL is not great at recognising late developers so I doubt he will gain any honours other than at club level.
Without wanting to sound flippant so long as Smith keeps taking the pills he will be OK. When at Wigan he was undiagnosed. Now he is under treatment he should be able to cope as well as anyone else. He certainly showed no signs of feeling the pressure even when he wasn't playing well at the start of the season.
I also think the maturity that Sykes now has takes a lot of pressure off Smith - Sykes looks like he could play all day without breaking sweat.
I actually think Sykes would be the bigger loss if injured as he would also compliment John, Goulding, Wildie and the rest.
Sykes and Smith are a quality partnership.
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| I don't think Smith has ever cracked under pressure. His illness is not (in my view) related to pressure, it's just been highlighted because when he did do something wrong the Aussie media had eyes on him. He hasn't caved in a game situation.
Sykes has shown good form at both London and Bradford in the past. It's not new, it has just been interupted in my opinion with switching positions and possibly different coaches. I remember the Bradford fans loving it when he was moved to stand off but they didn't keep him there.
In terms of Smith being targeted, his game helps him there because he plays away from the front line a lot. He has already worked his magic by the time the defenders are near.
I do worry that when he takes the line on he will get some late hits but that needs to be handled by him but also by the rest of the team showing that it is not appropriate and it will hurt if you try it.
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| Quote PopTart="PopTart"I don't think Smith has ever cracked under pressure. His illness is not (in my view) related to pressure, it's just been highlighted because when he did do something wrong the Aussie media had eyes on him. He hasn't caved in a game situation.
Sykes has shown good form at both London and Bradford in the past. It's not new, it has just been interupted in my opinion with switching positions and possibly different coaches. I remember the Bradford fans loving it when he was moved to stand off but they didn't keep him there.
In terms of Smith being targeted, his game helps him there because he plays away from the front line a lot. He has already worked his magic by the time the defenders are near.
I do worry that when he takes the line on he will get some late hits but that needs to be handled by him but also by the rest of the team showing that it is not appropriate and it will hurt if you try it.'"
Sorry but I think you are wrong regarding Smith. He did crack whilst in Australia. Knowing someone who is bi-polar pressure most definitely affects them more adversely than most people. As you say he hasn't cracked in a game but the treatment he now gets will help him concentrate.
There is no stigma to this in my eyes, none of us are built perfectly - with some it's physical with others it's in the mind. In the same way knees can be rebuilt or rectified so can minds. IMHO his treatment has improved his game.
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| Quote vastman="vastman"Sorry but I think you are wrong regarding Smith. He did crack whilst in Australia. Knowing someone who is bi-polar pressure most definitely affects them more adversely than most people. As you say he hasn't cracked in a game but the treatment he now gets will help him concentrate.
There is no stigma to this in my eyes, none of us are built perfectly - with some it's physical with others it's in the mind. In the same way knees can be rebuilt or rectified so can minds. IMHO his treatment has improved his game.'"
I can't really argue knowledgeably on the subject but all I was meaning is that as I saw it, he did something that his "disorder" would have caused whether he was a rugby player or not. It's just it was more highlighted because of who he was.
Clearly i really don't know his personal life but I'm pleased he seems to be enjoying his rugby and handling his medical issues now.
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| Quote jungle man="jungle man"You mean like we did when we kicked your ass on Good Friday at your place.
Just think you guys are carrying too much faith in Mr Agar....second season syndrome me thinks
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your victory on Good Friday was a long long time ago. If that's the only positive you are taking in to this season I'd be worried.
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