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Quote: fat faced fan "no. you're not alone. his tackling is very good, but my subjective view is that he goes in third man in to the tackle an awful lot a la monty "can't play for toffee but look at my stats" betham.

i don't see the point in bringing a plodder half way round the world. it's no more complex than that. whether he plays 20/40/60/80 minutes isn't the point, the point is that he's a plodder from what i've seen.'"


Really?? Amazing how people see things differently and I cant remember his stats ever getting mentioned??

If the rest of the team tackled like him one on one we wouldnt be conceding the mass of points we currently are. He hits hard and low and his tackling technique is by far the best in the side. Its just a shame we arent seeing it for more minutes.
In attack, he may not make the yards of others but he finds his front on most occasions. 15 yards and an age to play the ball or 10 yards and the chance of getting a roll on. I know which id take.

He's a good player, we just need to get more minutes out of him and looking at him i think he would like to be doing more.

On a similar theme, playing Ali for 70mins a game is great in the short term, but long term he will be shot. At his age, with his physique and previous track record he needs managing better surely??

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I have to say I disagree with the 'plodder' and 'third man in the tackle' comments.

His tackling technique in my opinion is excellent. When he is a in a one on one he always sends the guys straight to the floor, and clearly makes it hurt too.
Being third man in to be honest is just as important. We were poor in defense for a long stretch and it was one of Agar's changes to have a player hover outside the tackle and then grasp the legs to complete it rather than let the guy rumble on with players wrestling with the ball carrying arm.
That tactic has changed the efficiency of our defense considerably.

I have to to say his attack isn't as effective when making hard yards but it is for yards and quick play the ball. Although you need both a crash ball guy who just monsters a few extra yards every time, you also need players who can start a roll. Less exciting but more effective if the team all play that way.

I do however agree that we really shouldn't use him as a prop. He'd be much better in second row, but that's been forced on us in the past.

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I disagree icon_biggrin.gif he hurts players in the tackle but we do need to see more of him.

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Maybe he can teach his tackling technique to Mathers and Cockayne then, they get knocked off in the collision far too easy for my liking.

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Southern has a fantastic tackle technique - he goes in low and hard and is a hurtful tackler; the only other WTW player who compares is Aiton, who also hits really hard and drives them into the ground.

When the balance between props and Sr's is sorted out, I'm sure we'll see more of him.

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