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Quote: jonh "Kear oversaw Wakefield at a time when the game changed, its skills and methods changed and Kear was a casualty of that, much in the same way Brain Noble was and also to a lesser extent Steve McNammara.

As a pure coach I have no doubt Kear is up there with the best BUT his inability to refine his style to the superior wrestling and 2nd man plays for example that came to these shores from the NRL cost him.

His record speaks for itself though and nobody can deny he has achieved some excellent things in the game.

Was/is Agar as refined and developed a coach to the new methods and practices in the game? Your board thought so, but the jury is certainly still out from the on field displays. The acid test will be next year and it is tough to judge on his first season in charge, given the circumstances at the club in the pre season.'"


I cant believe that you said that the game has got away from Noble!!! I thought based on what appears to be irefutable factual evidence that he has had significant success in his most recent positions, having turned around the fortunes of Wigan and got the Cruisaders to a position most would have found astonishing.

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Quote: asmadasa " If that is worrying then that is a reflection of the lack of WTW front row options.

It most certainly is.

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Quote: worksopwildcat "I cant believe that you said that the game has got away from Noble!!! I thought based on what appears to be irefutable factual evidence that he has had significant success in his most recent positions, having turned around the fortunes of Wigan and got the Cruisaders to a position most would have found astonishing.'"


I am of the opinion sacking Millward saved Wigan not the appointment of Noble. I think just about any change is staff at that time would generate a significant reaction. Noble then went on to produce a massivly underachieving team that played one out rugby even withone of the finest 6's in the world in it's ranks. A player who we only saw the best of when the game plan wentvout of the window. When he left a coach came in with virtually the same team and won the league playing top quality rugby.

He did a good job at Crusaders but again he just settled the ship used one out tactics and relied on other teams being poor to win rather than Crusaders break any pots. He took them as far as he could.


At Bradford he over saw the start of the demise started the downward trend and then jumped at the perfect time allowing McNammara to take the blame.

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Quote: jonh "I am of the opinion sacking Millward saved Wigan not the appointment of Noble. I think just about any change is staff at that time would generate a significant reaction. Noble then went on to produce a massivly underachieving team that played one out rugby even withone of the finest 6's in the world in it's ranks. A player who we only saw the best of when the game plan wentvout of the window. When he left a coach came in with virtually the same team and won the league playing top quality rugby.

He did a good job at Crusaders but again he just settled the ship used one out tactics and relied on other teams being poor to win rather than Crusaders break any pots. He took them as far as he could.


At Bradford he over saw the start of the demise started the downward trend and then jumped poop at the perfect time allowing McNammara to take the blame.'"


Don't accept the Wigan bit - Noble did the hard graft and put the structures together that ultimately someone else took to the title. I reckon both coaches had an influence on your side becomming succesful.

Noble did an outstanding job at Crusaders - as proven by Harris' inability to back it up!

In the Bradford example, there were a number of senior players on the wane, plus the start of the financial problems - but overall, the main problem, IMO, is that McBanana doesn't have a clue - but someone likes him! icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: TRB "Don't accept the Wigan bit - Noble did the hard graft and put the structures together that ultimately someone else took to the title. I reckon both coaches had an influence on your side becomming succesful.

Noble did an outstanding job at Crusaders - as proven by Harris' inability to back it up!

In the Bradford example, there were a number of senior players on the wane, plus the start of the financial problems - but overall, the main problem, IMO, is that McBanana doesn't have a clue - but someone likes him!
I Noble stabilised the club to a certain degree in his time at Wigan, but it became very evident very quickly he could not move us to the level that with the players he had we should have been at.

I find Agar very similar in his style to the "Bradford" generation of coaches, ie those that were influenced by Brian Smith and learned there coaching philosophy from Brian Smith. Sadly those while it provided the club with great success, once they got found out they were unable to adapt as the bash and barge tactics simply did not work any more.

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