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| Eastmoor Dragons Under 12’s have started life in division 2 with a defeat at Oulton Raiders followed by home victory against a spirited Batley Boys outfit. Both games were close affairs which could have gone either way.
There have been some recent posts on this forum questioning why Eastmoor would want to drop down a division for the summer season. During the mini season we only won 1 out the 10 league matches and it became obvious that, due to the loss of some key players, we were unable to compete at such a high level. Having seen the first 2 matches it looks as though we are in a division where we will be more competitive playing against sides of equal ability which can only be good for the players development on both sides.
Just for the record, the Crig win at Eastmoor, where to quote Mutley ‘The lads went on to spank Eastmoor all over the park, ended 20-18 to Crig
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story Mutley!!!!
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| Quote muttley cat="muttley cat"a little harsh basil , you have only seen us once unless you did a bit of home work .
we got told to just watch 1 guy in you team . i think that's absolute cak . at least 7
although every team needs a game breaker or two maybe we are lucky to have the biggest , but wait till size levels out basil .
you seem like you know your stuff fella im not blowing any trumpets until 15/16s'"
Taken out of context Muts - my response to Rob was regarding 'big lad syndrome'. No slurr on JD our CT or anyone else. But at the end of the day when players tend to level out size wise so do results. Make hay whilst you can thats what I say!
Remember the commentator on the YC vid who said Easts looked much smaller than Crigg???
Mosts teams have strike players - they are the lads that always want the ball and the ones their team mates always want to give it too - but there comes a time when their team mates want to keep it for themselves or have plenty of other options!!!
Till then enjoy - and good luck!
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| Quote sick to the death="sick to the death"well said muttley!!! but basil it a touch bad for u as well after reading ur match reports and TRANMER this and TRANMER that!! everytime team "has a star player" but normally every time everyone knows about that theat and trys to deal with it but its then other players who then step up to the mark and turn a game around but less of this naming players i think u will find that to win uv got to score but every team needs a good defence with out it u r nothing even if u hav someone who can score 4 or 5 trys a game.'"
I agree - but my OP was about size being a dominant factor - not having a go at Crigg!
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| does anyone know if BARLA are running a Junior Yorkshire Cup Competition this year?
... Ive heard it possibly is!
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| If you've got a number of 'big' lads, they should be taught to run good lines, offload in contact, fix the defence and pass before the line, win the floor, improve their carry, all these thing that'll develop a more successful player in later years, some though just seem to rest on their laurels of getting these boys to run over the top of people.
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| Quote Seth="Seth"If you've got a number of 'big' lads, they should be taught to run good lines, offload in contact, fix the defence and pass before the line, win the floor, improve their carry, all these thing that'll develop a more successful player in later years, some though just seem to rest on their laurels of getting these boys to run over the top of people.'"
Thats the way!
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| has i said at the start dont take it out of context,the whole post was about views on whether we should be following the aussies and plaing weight and height rather than age groups.
i dont have a problem with big players or little players,in my team we have 1 player that weighs 5 stone and others that weigh 12 stone it cant surely be right that they are expected to play and compete with such handicaps they cant move down a couple of years to play against kids there own size.
mutts has for your one man team well crigglestone arnt a one man team you have some wonderfull players and a great team spirit but you also have a player thats beyond belief who to be quite frank frightens the living daylights out of teams and can litterally score when ever he chooses,9 tries in the opening 2 games says it all im sure thare will have been plenty more good performances from the other players too but he his the edge that makes your lot better than the rest at the moment,what would you say the said player is at 12 years of age 6ft tall and broad with it who does 100 metres in around 12 seconds well when your that size running at 5ft tall players who weigh around 8-9 stone who cant run half has quick and then you can see its a complete missmatch "see what im getting at" what it not do the player more good playing with and against players the same size in the long run.
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| Quote braytontiger="braytontiger"said player is at 12 years of age 6ft tall and broad with it who does 100 metres in around 12 seconds well when your that size running at 5ft tall players who weigh around 8-9 stone who cant run half has quick and then you can see its a complete missmatch "see what im getting at" what it not do the player more good playing with and against players the same size in the long run.'"
But isn't that Rugby League? Would the likes of Robbie Burrow, Danny Brough and Luke Robinson have benfited from having the playing field artificially levelled for them, only to go on and play the game as adults and find that big lads will try to run over you? Equally, would they have learned that you can make the same big lads look like right nana's by learning to put a big step on and skinning them on the outside?
At our game this Saturday for example, our fb made three try-saving tackles on the opposition's 13 when he broke clear and was romping in for a score. Our fb is the second smallest lad on the team, but has the heart of a lion, a fantastic tackle technique and the ability to be in the right place at the right time; magic moments like that are what RL is all about - I wouldn't want to lose them by grouping lads together according to their size or weight.
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| Quote braytontiger="braytontiger"what would you say the said player is at 12 years of age 6ft tall and broad with it who does 100 metres in around 12 seconds.'"
After seeing the BARLA cup final I would say the player in question is about 5ft 6 and would do 100m in around 14 sec
And bren is 100% correct, how do you improve the smaller players skills if you don't play them against bigger and more skilful players I think we have it right in the UK the Aussie way is not the correct way IMO. The only thing you get from playing lesser opposition is over confidence and complacency which in most sport is a bad thing and in RL it's a killer 
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| im neither for or against playing to weight and height im just interested to get peoples views on it and whether or not it could work,i think it has its positives and its negatives has others have said there are some very good smaller built players knocking around and always will be.
i also want to make it perfectley clear this isnt a dig at the the bigger players because again there are some very good big players around and some big lads not so good at rugby.
im a coach that views things long term and that not everything is geared up to winning the following sat but producing a better player long term and i believe anyone that see`s how my players play the game would vouch for this.
at the end of the day every coach should be looking at giving kids the skills they need to become better players when they are older and hopefully a few of them will be lucky enough to make a carreer out of it or at the very least have found some friends for life.
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| Quote financialtimes="financialtimes"After seeing the BARLA cup final I would say the player in question is about 5ft 6 and would do 100m in around 14 sec
And bren is 100% correct, how do you improve the smaller players skills if you don't play them against bigger and more skilful players I think we have it right in the UK the Aussie way is not the correct way IMO. The only thing you get from playing lesser opposition is over confidence and complacency which in most sport is a bad thing and in RL it's a killer
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Very good - I suspect you need a visit to Spec Savers - and even if you are correct at 5ft 6 -it is the juxtaposition of these lads against the average sized boys that is the issue!
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