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Quote: djcool "I like Linux but you can get some of the software on it that I need, such as iTunes, I did duel boot it one time though'"


Yeah. If that's because of an iPod, it's a problem as Apple are totally against open source software. icon_sad.gif

Still, it's horses for courses. I'd not want to go back to Windows, and Apple gear's SO expensive and not as secure as the blurb would have you believe (Safari was hacked after 5 seconds in the pwn2own comp last year!).

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Quote: djcool "I didnt say apple invented the mouse did I?'"


I didn't say you did - just something I remembered from the a recent documentary about Jobs.

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Apple should really be congratulated for making a complete product. I mean, no one says that Samsung make rubbish televisions because you can't replace the valves with different ones (or whatever).

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Quote: vastman "Basically you get what you pay for. Macs last. I run a e-mac at home, it is 10 years old and has never been upgraded hardware wise. It was also a bottom of the range Mac when I bought it. Yet it happily runs Leopard and will I believe run Lion. I doubt any standard untouched PC of similar vintage will run the latest Windows to a good standard. In fact I doubt many PC's of that age are still working or if they are they are like Triggers broom. We actually have a Mac at work that ran for nearly 3 years of heavy use without ever needing to be re-booted, says it all to me.'"


What do you reckon the working life of the hardware is?
I may have the chance to buy 2nd hand from the company that the wife works for. We've had pcs for about the last 20 years, and have replaced them every 7 years or so. Since she got a mac from work, she's been a complete pain... disassociated herself entirely from what used to be [iour[/i, but is now [imy[/i pc, except when she needs to use software she doesn't have installed on the mac. Then she bitches for ages about how slow the thing is. I have nothing against macs, but I'm developing something against mac users (or one user in particular)...

Our/my pc needs replacing... struggles to boot, sounds like an aircraft before take-off, and has so many work-arounds that one day soon, it'll give up the ghost. I won't admit it to her, but I can't deny the facts. If I buy a mac that's, say, 4 years old, how many years' use do you reckon I could get out of it? (I only need it for basic stuff, btw - word processing, spreadsheets, and internet.)

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What do you reckon the working life of the hardware is?
I If I buy a mac that's, say, 4 years old, how many years' use do you reckon I could get out of it? (I only need it for basic stuff, btw - word processing, spreadsheets, and internet.)'"


Impossible to say. I've got a a PC still going strong after 10 years (as you may guess it does have its limitations!!!) and I bought another that gave up the ghost after 2 weeks (since fixing it has not missed a beat). If components are going to fail then they tend to fail in the first few weeks. Provided it's not been mistreated a second hand one from work should be no trouble - just remember that the specs will be 4 years old or more so may have difficulty with some of the latest software but I don't think that will be problem from the sound of it.

I'm writing this on an 8 year old laptop my wife got from her job when she left for the princley sum of £1. It got a bit slow in Windows so it's now runing Ubuntu Linux and Open Office (it's free and legal icon_biggrin.gif ) and is used for web browsing, bits of word processing etc. and it boots up faster than any of the newer PC's!

If it's at a good (or even silly price as some work PC's are) I'd go for it.

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Quote: RebelRebel "Our/my pc needs replacing... struggles to boot, sounds like an aircraft before take-off'"


Take the case off and get the Dyson in there - often, they make noises like that due to a build-up of dust on and around the fans.

Also, consider flattening the HDD and starting again - that can help.

Alternatively, get the Mac and become one of the cool kids!

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