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| The next time Denis Betts is on TV, close your eyes and listen ... it's Tommy Cooper! 
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k":1fgd8ab6What I thought we did do was control the ruck way better than your guys - that means three men in, peel off one by one on the ref's call and as a result, the ruck is slowed down and the defence has time to set; we all have our own views about that as a tactic, but that's how the game is played right now at SL level. I don't think Betts does himself or the club any favours by whining about the ref after your first game back in SL by the way.
As for Cross - I couldn't disagree more; he's a useless lump with all the gear and no idea - he will continue to do what he did to you last night for the remainder of the season.'" .
I watched the three man tackle and then each player counted to 5 and then peeled off the tackled player. That I could not describe as "controlling the Tackling and the playing of the ball. Players should not have to wait for the referee to call "move". The rule is quite clear that players should roll away when the tackle is complete.
I have no problem with the result and I won't blame the referee, although he was a bit inconsistent at times.
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| Quote Old Viking="Old Viking"Wakefield seem to have perfected lying on the the tackle and the slow playing of the ball. [We do not have a ruck in Rugby League. The ruck is when a player is tackled in RU and other other players attempt to get the ball out of the ruck with their feet.
I watched the three man tackle and then each player counted to 5 and then peeled off the tackled player. That I could not describe as "controlling the Tackling and the playing of the ball. Players should not have to wait for the referee to call "move". The rule is quite clear that players should roll away when the tackle is complete.
I have no problem with the result and I won't blame the referee, although he was a bit inconsistent at times.'"
How many headshots before he took action ? BTW the ruck area is the area surrounding the tackle/ptb, we know its not a ruck or maul as in Yawnion. 
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"How many headshots before he took action ? BTW the ruck area is the area surrounding the tackle/ptb, we know its not a ruck or maul as in Yawnion.
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I'm not sure why this keeps coming up? We were highly penalised for it and the term 'numerous offences was used they hardly went unnoticed. One or two maybe but the same can be said the other way.
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| it's going to be a long season for widnes fans if they think the ref is to blame for their own inability to master the laws and their interpretation.
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| Quote J20="J20"I'm not sure why this keeps coming up? We were highly penalised for it and the term 'numerous offences was used they hardly went unnoticed. One or two maybe but the same can be said the other way.'"
Deliberate blow to the head is a sending off offence. Having watched the game back, there was certainly several opportunitieer for someone to be sent for an "early bath", so I think the ref was extremely lenient with this. Yes you were penalised, which Betts complained about, but the ref should have taken stronger action earlier.
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| Quote fat faced fan="fat faced fan"it's going to be a long season for widnes fans if they think the ref is to blame for their own inability to master the laws and their interpretation.'"
I don't think anyone has done this? Especially not composing at those gave against us.
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| Quote J20="J20"I don't think anyone has done this? Especially not composing at those gave against us.'"
i think that you are clinically insane. however this is not a professional opinion.
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| Quote fat faced fan="fat faced fan"i think that you are clinically insane. however this is not a professional opinion.'"
Ha, complaining it meant, naturally!
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873":1of3j841How many headshots before he took action ? BTW the ruck area is the area surrounding the tackle/ptb, we know its not a ruck or maul as in Yawnion.
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The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.
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| Quote Old Viking="Old Viking"The Vikings were playing to the rules when getting up off the tackled player. The ref never had to call "move". Wakefield were deliberately lying on. FACT.'"
Sorry to be pedantic but its your interpretation, therefore its an opinion, not a fact.
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