yeah unlike you mate i dont come on here playing guessing games.....if your so thick that you dont understand why a prop would be loaned out when ther is a shortage then you are a tit and i should not even waste my breath responding to you...

As for the debate on wrestling we do it as part of our training at my amatuer club...

Why don't you wait and see before deciding that?

Every season I've watched Wakey we have been short of this miraculous individual. Even when we sign them there never good enough, Stosic has now reached the level of legend yet when we signed him the experts had him down as no good.

Team form as the season goes on, preparation is important but you can't prepare for everything - not on our budget or that of most SL clubs.

If I were you I worry more about having a F/B who after 10 years at the highest level still allows the ball to bounce - not convinced about the two wingers in that regard either.

More tries will be conceded due to this than any prop could ever put right. But that's just my opinion.

Tronc was one such individual.

I think what people are hankering after now is a prop in the mould of O'Meley, Moa or even Feka, when he was any good - the type who will come on for short bursts and run like a train, hurt some defenders and create gaps that the backs can play into.

If such a prop became available, I'm sure that the recent house-clearing activity that RA has undertaken will mean that there's a bit of brass available to at least be in the running.

No it's not called being shot down, it's called debate and challenging others opinions whilst expressing your own. Why you and so many others on here struggle with this concept is a mystery - it is after all called a forum.

You may be right but time will tell.

As a matter of interest can you name me all these that has more than 4 proven SL props because I've had a shufty and frankly it's all down to opinion in most cases as to whether they have.

Saints only have two out and out props in Luke Perry and McCarthy Scarsbrook, with Puletua available. The rest are "kids" as you put it and relative unknowns. Are they no hopers. Leeds are best off but even then they are a mix. Moore, Peacock, Griffin, Kirk, Baily - thats five plus Pitts and Ambler who are still relatively untried and in Amblers case lightweight (15st 6lbs). I'd take that line up who wouldn't but we have not got that budget. We have done very well to find 4 first choice props of reasonable quality. Whilst at the same time you do Trout, Spiers and above all James a dis-service.

Hudds have recruited massive squads in recent times yet it has not produced great results - not yet anyway. So it clearly isn't the be all and end all to have 8 props in the team.

Very few clubs have a full squad of proven SL standard players. All have some up and comers whilst most have squad players who can fill the gaps when they appear. We have done well to recruit so many proven players but you have to accept we can't cover everything and on occasion some players will have to step up to the mark. So perhaps the glass is half full, try it you might like it.