Cannot see how anyone can question loyalty if they knew how Ben had been treat by both the club and especially elston, Ben will kick on from here guaranteed and just like the rest we let go then slagged off it will bite us in theass

It makes a difference that he's 6'4" and has the attributes I listed because that is rare, I didn't mention his height because even with my selective eyesight it's pretty evident.

Being the height he is, is relevant because with the correct conditioning he can build width and extra weight through the addition of muscle. A 23/24 year old front rower standing 6'4" and weighing 17st is a far more attractive proposition than a 6' 16st front rower.

When you have a player with the raw materials who has the attributes I mention it's sheer mismanagement to allow him to spend 2 years under your guidance and not provide him with the correct conditioning programme to fulfil his potential.

There's the rub fella, it's not about whether he goes to Salford and receives better strength and conditioning advice over the next 2 years, it's about Wakefield not giving him that advice 2 years ago. Had they done that we probably wouldn't be letting him go and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You say he's not good enough, I say his ability is critically connected to the poor advice he's had from our conditioning team, he's the one thats been been let down. We shouldn't be getting rid we should be looking at his game, his attitude, his work ethic, his enthusiasm, his ability to play at SL level and then adding to all that by developing his physique.

As for the personal jibes, I don't see the need but before you start lobbing insults I suggest you at least try and grasp the very fundamentals of what's being discussed.

I dont think the ins and outs of bens dealings should be on here hence why I have bit my Tongue on this thread, nor should somebody ask JE what has gone on. That looks bad on the club and Gledhill. As for all the other comments about development and size I would gladly discuss in person this matter as IMO the people commenting on it have no idea whatsoever about conditioning...if he has been trained that way he will be lean if u want him bigger change his diet/training simple as that. A props supposed prime is mid twenties to thirty so he has three years (minimum) so let's see how he does.

You consider them insults? I have no intention to insult you.

Look I have seen these posts before on here and see where they lead to. So I have no desire for it to get to that point.

Ill be happy just to wait and see. Gledhill looks to have been let down by the clubs conditioning past two years, I don't know.

But after 2 years and with what I've seen in his present form he will be no major loss.

I can't speak for anyone else but for my part that comment couldn't be more wrong!

Trojan, I honestly can't believe anyone could post something so fundamentally wrong. I'm 48 years old and been involved in the game since I was about 8. In that time height has always been one of the most critical indicators as to whether a player will make it. It's not the be all and end all, a few short players other than 6,7 and 9's have made it. However life for a taller player is without doubt easier in all butthose positions - just look at the NRL.

With exercise and diet even the most slender of players can be built up eventually but as far as I'm aware no one has ever successfully made a player taller. Why is being tall so important? Because a tall man can simply carry more weight which can be turned into muscle which in turn becomes speed, power and strength. It's that simple, a good big un will always beat a good small un.

Jonny T is a huge hero on here and rightly so. However he was always 4 inches too small and no matter how hard he tried or how good his technique he couldn't overcome that no matter how much ticker he had. Sinfield will never be as good a player as Sculthorpe and the main reason is he's too short - not too small - to short and there is a difference - if he were one of those short nuggety players like Widders before he got super fat he may have got away with it but he isn't.

Gledhill is perfect material to build on, just look at him. He could easily carry an extra two stone at a pinch three in MUSCLE. The difference that would make to him as a player would be enormous. Whatever Gledhills future holds his frame will not be an issue. Being tall especially in the forwards or as a centre doesn't just matter it's vital in all but a few rare cases.