I agree 100%. It's good to know there are people out there who understand finance and rugby. Glover and kear have done the best possible from the point where Glover took over.

I think the reaction yesterday is really one about the previous two games. I didn't go, for various reasons, but if we go back to the start of the year a score like that against Saints is hardly unexpected. We got some false hope because of more wins than we expected, and then saw two very poor results against sides not much better than ours.

My concern is that we are making it very easy for the RFL. The three year window might be the period of assessment, but memories don't work like that. People will say that you can't chuck out a side who look like a top eight side (Cas) or might become one (Salford) in favour of a side getting thumped. No one will say that you can't chuck out a side who in 2009 finished higher than those two clubs ever have done in the Super League, even though it's the same period of assessment. We are going into the franchise decision looking like a beaten outfit.

It's a problem of momentum for the players, I imagine. You cannot play above yourself for a whole year. That is why you get surprise cup winners but never surprise league winners.

Mr Shuttleworth has a duty of care to his clients. If the livelihood of those clients is threatened by this crazy franchising situation what do you expect him to do if the clients are uneasy about their futures ? Despite all the rumours no one has left yet, some of those rumoured to be leaving could stay if we remain in superleague. We use agents to get us players too, for instance do you think Batley were happy to lose Gareth Moore ? Player movement happens continually we are in the weakest of positions to do anything at all to stop it. Surely it is better to deal with agents that are Wakey fans . FWIW I stood with Mr Shuttleworth for the whole of the U20's game and thoroughly enjoyed his company.

Who are you signing for Sue?

No other team could offer me what I get out of Wakey on such nights as Good Friday this year, beating Huddersfield at home this year, anytime we beat Leeds etc etc

Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"No one will say that you can't chuck out a side who in 2009 finished higher than those two clubs ever have done in the Super League'" That's funny...because I'm pretty sure Cas have finished 5th. In fact, I distincly remember us finishing 5th in 1999: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Leag ... e_IV_Table AND 2000 www.slstats.org/t10/Castleford+T ... mmary.html .

Quote Slugger McBatt="Slugger McBatt"No one will say that you can't chuck out a side who in 2009 finished higher than those two clubs ever have done in the Super League'" That's funny...because I'm pretty sure Cas have finished 5th. In fact, I distincly remember us finishing 5th in 1999: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Leag ... e_IV_Table AND 2000 www.slstats.org/t10/Castleford+T ... mmary.html .

here he is....................

Quote Fully="Fully"That's funny...because I'm pretty sure Cas have finished 5th. In fact, I distincly remember us finishing 5th in 1999: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Leag ... e_IV_Table AND 2000 www.slstats.org/t10/Castleford+T ... mmary.html .'" I actually wrote "during the franchise era" but in white font. Okay, that's a lie. I'd forgotten about that, but I assume what happened 12 years ago isn't part of your application.

Quote Fully="Fully"That's funny...because I'm pretty sure Cas have finished 5th. In fact, I distincly remember us finishing 5th in 1999: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Leag ... e_IV_Table AND 2000 www.slstats.org/t10/Castleford+T ... mmary.html .'" I actually wrote "during the franchise era" but in white font. Okay, that's a lie. I'd forgotten about that, but I assume what happened 12 years ago isn't part of your application.

I also agree 100% Big Cat.keep the faith.

I'd assume not. Anything pre-2009 is largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It'll be about progression over the last licensing period and how clubs are improving/becoming sustainable as businesses.

Do you really believe that?

Apparently we have improved since the last license up to the highest grade in commercial, community and youth. The new facilities 'guaranteed' for Belle Vue including cover and seating makes our improvement up to A/B (with an A grade ground as a back-up) from a low C and we are now sustainable as a business.

So how come the WT supporters on this board are so negative regarding our application?