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It has to be a worry that geography may go against you in three years should you find yourselves in the Championship.

On the other hand as someone has already alluded to how much longer can the RFL continue to keep its expansionist experiment on life support.

Crusaders, Quins and even Catalan have a tough 3 years ahead in an ever deteriorating economic climate and I would be surprised if all three are still standing in three years.

There will also be more traditional clubs that have some very testing times ahead especially if the image rights case isn't won by Leeds.

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Quote: kinleycat "Presumably WTRLFC2011 or whatever the new company will be called won't have any historic debt regarding image rights, unless the new owners choose to take some debt on a la crusaders?'"


The image rights debt for Wakefield will be irrelevant anyway, if Leeds win the test case we would only owe 15% of £160,000 about £24,000

If we enter into some kind of arrangement with our creditors we may agree something like 10p in the £1 meaning we would only owe £16,000 if Leeds lose and just £240 if Leeds win.

Then of course we may just right everything off and pay none of the previous regimes debts.

Even if Leeds win there are at least 2 clubs that would face paying around £400,000 to the HMRC.

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I think the reason crusaders only got 4 points was that the new/old owners inherited some of their old debt, so presumably we can assume the number of points deduction we're given will reflect the level of debt we have taken on (that's assuming we're all treat equally).

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If Carlsberg made rugby clubs, they would be like Widnes!:



Whatever happens over the coming days, you will still have a club and that really is what is important.

At Widnes we went through this a few years ago, waking up to wonder if it is the end of Sunday afternoons watching the team is a daunting thought! Whether you retain SL status, or lose it, you will still have a core of support to see you through it and that is what puts a 'heartland' clubs head and shoulders above an expansion club!

In SL, I like to watch Wakey on TV and always follow their results and news - as do quite a few Widnes fans mainly due to our explayers who have gone your way over the years!

If I could offer any advice, it would be on season tickets. Your fans may be reluctant to buy them at the moment, but a thread here or on club site for season ticket pledges will tell any new owner that the fans support the club - ands that is a very important factor at such times!

Keep the faith, you will survive this (in SL I think!)

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Quote: kinleycat "I think the reason crusaders only got 4 points was that the new/old owners inherited some of their old debt, so presumably we can assume the number of points deduction we're given will reflect the level of debt we have taken on (that's assuming we're all treat equally).'"


There's other consideration to take account of,
First and foremost is the level of debt which in Crusaders case was in excess of £2.2M whereas ours is less than £800K in total.

There's also the fact that we've made a genuine attempt to avoid Administration by paying off the debts that lead to our first two winding up orders. We even made a valiant although futile attempt to raise the money to stave off this winding up order.

In addition our owners are not just seeking a new start which allows them to hang on to control of the club, they are willing and want to walk away allowing new ownership of and therefore a real fresh start for Wakefield Trinity.

IMO the circumstance of our Administration are at worst the same as Crusaders but are probably better. I would be dismayed if we get 6 pts, OK with 4pts but expecting 2pts.

I'll prepare to be disappointed!

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That's what happens when you apply logic!

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