its comments like these that show how blinkered some on here can be. Obst and murphy were poor i the last third of the season and morrison clearly dropped off. The big issue yet again is why are people wanting out and the answer is simple, the club's future and even moore so the coaching staff has zero respect. I have said it before if other clubs came in for our players they would leave and this issue needs resolving. Kear and co have got a bad rep amongst players now and Johnson comments and moore asking for a release is proof of that. We can continually blame the players and yes i agree moore of all people should show some loyalty, but in two years we have had moore, johnson, sculthorpe, brough, peterson and tronc all want out or be happy to leave with a pay out and i dont buy tht it is all the players fault. Moore leaving will create a big problem because we cant replace him with any quality and it would yet again be another project.

so what was motivation of both the cup triumphs with Sheffield and Hull,

there must of been some game plan as you just can't say ' go on lads get stuck in' and expect to get that far

Mate the game has moved on considerably since those cup wins particularly the Sheffield one. In addition coaches like JK tend to have a limited shelf life at a club and the fact is he has probably out done his with us.

Oh and to be fair the Hull side he had wasnt a bad team anyway

the principle is still the same you score more than your opponents, we all know we lacked the play maker on the field

its ok having a game plan but they have to put the effort in the first place

firstly we need a team that wants to play for each other as a team and that comes for moral

I'm ready for the long hard slog

I am with you on the whole John Kear thing as 1 week i can listen to an argument against him and think yeah he isnt improving get him out then another week listen to an opinion of him being the best we've had and how much he has done which sways me back. All in all i think this up coming season will tell us everything we need to know i personally am not expecting much unless we sign Benji Marshall and Adrian Morley/Jamie Peacock but we all know thats not going to happen........... not at this stadium anyway with any luck kear moves up after this year and we go for a young Aus coach for our first season at new market personally id love JD to come as assistant and get rid of Beans but thats just me.