not sure if people will agree with me on this one but i dont like the idea of having sam and latu o the bench together so i'd go for obst at 6 brought 7 drew 9 grix 13 moving demetriou to 12 and latu on bench thoughts?

I think you miss my point in that he isn't a playmaker IMO like Drew or Brough are. I'm Obst biggest fan but that part of his game is limited. He is a game breaker in that he can open up a defence when nothing is on but it's usually an individual effort. This effectively can break a game wide open.

What he can't do and Drew in particular can is change the whole patter of the game by changing his and the teams tactics. Obst has never been able to do that, what he does is tackle all day, makes valuable yards, and attacks the line effectively at close range. What he rarely does is find the killer ball that releases anyone else, not a complaint just the way he plays.

I realise there are different ideas as to what a game breaker is and it can all get a bit pedantic but in the context of his thread I think the point I'm making is valid. Ost gives us options which can be gemebreaking.

Finally Latu is a matchwinner IMO and hopefully he will do it for us one day.

watch the difference Obst made in the first 15 minutes vs Warrington before he went off.

I know we ended up convincing winners after that, but we were much more cohesive and threatening on the opponent's line in the time he was on the field and directing play.

Sam can be the playmaker, it is just that the roles we have employed him in during his time here (hooker usually) have limited his opportunities to showcase what he can do.

Benching Obst is a waste though IMO

If Martins fit and happy to carry on then i'd leave him at 6, i think he's earned that right.

Obst would start every game for me.

I am surprised we did not approach Leeds or Saints for one of their young lads; could have been a good option.

Maybe - but for my money it needs to be a player who if it works out might join us like Halley. Say what you like about Leeds they are not daft and unlike Bradford are not dumb enough to let one of those go IMHO.

In other words it would be to short term to be of benefit and could be quite disruptive if you consider they may be on more than some of our first teamers and will have no desire to join us long term. Off season is different you may be able to get a discarded one with a bit of potential and some time to work on them.

Saints are the same but with the added issue of distance . I know it worked with Gleeson but it might not work every time.

Truth is after years of neglect we are getting our Academy in shape but it takes time. Just shows how bad it's been that the most obvious step up also playing in the worst hit position is also injured (Southernwood).

We just have to ride it out.