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| Rochdale and Barrow have to abide by the same RFL rules a regs but they seem to be doing ok. Blaming the RFL is the answer to everything for many it seems.
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| Quote: sanjunien "Rochdale and Barrow have to abide by the same RFL rules a regs but they seem to be doing ok. Blaming the RFL is the answer to everything for many it seems.'"
Rochdale have dual registration with Warrington which as benefited a great deal of their results this season. However, Barrow I believe have gone it alone, and well done to them. I hope they get promoted, they very much deserve it! Sajunien, 1 swallow doesn't make a Summer!
I could go on about the RFL dabacles towards the cougars in seasons 1994-95 and 2013-14 but that won't change anything, unfortunately we have to live with these ridiculous decisions!
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| For the Toulouse players the 'big one' is the next home game against Rochdale. They believe they have a big point to prove especially after some of the comments from Killshaw before and after the previous meeting though I think the most entertaining game will be the last game of the 8s against Barrow. They are hitting form at the right time and seem to be the team to beat.
No real RL fan likes to see a household name like Keighley struggling so good luck to them. It looks like changes are required but will the club be big enough to make the tough decisions ?
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| Quote: sanjunien "Rochdale and Barrow have to abide by the same RFL rules a regs but they seem to be doing ok. Blaming the RFL is the answer to everything for many it seems.'"
Rochdale? They've done pretty well this season with their Wolves in the team but look at last Sunday. They had no Wolves and struggled to beat 12 man Cougars - complete with our extremely porous defence. This illustrates the unfair advantages brought about by the DR system, and don't forget that for every Wolf who plays for Rochdale, a real Hornet has to make way and sit out. This system was brought in specifically to be of benefit to Super League clubs who don't fancy paying for reserve teams; any perceived benefit to clubs outside Super League is merely an afterthought. This must end.
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As far as we are concerned, the question is asked as to how low we can go. Well, a quick look at the current league table shows that our 'best team in years' (on paper obviously) has achieved a position whereby the only clubs below us in the entire rugby league structure are the 'expansion' teams. A very sorry state of affairs indeed. The end is nigh for Paul March and this is the silver lining in our current situation; I for one am heartily sick of watching the one-up rugby and inept defence to which we have been treated for the past three years. Time for a new broom to sweep clean.
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| Quite agree about DR but clubs will continue to use (abuse ?) the system as long as it's within the rules. DR should, if at all be used as it was previously intended and that is for the 'bludgeoining' (can't think of the correct word !) of youngsters who are unable to get a place in the first team. Playing someone like Lineham and/or Penny is not in the spirit of the rule IMO.I'm all for season-long loans though i'm sure there are people about who don't like that either. Obviously one way forward is to encourage academies, like the one at Toulouse for example though this costs money which is in short supply nowadays within the RL world.
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| All DR has done. Is to allow SL clubs to save money.
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| Well, let's go back to the beginning .... well not quite: Just 'Superleague'.
Question: What do we have? The Cougars are denied rightful access to Superleague (and by which organisation?)
Answer: The RFL (with Murdoch and SKY in the background).
Question: What happened then?
Answer: Terrestrial television broadcasting rights to league games were denied and all rights to broadcast league games in the lower division (and now 'divisions') were denied (unless SKY approved).
Result: If you don't freely-broadcast a brilliant game, at whatever level, then you lose the support (wherever it might be).
Question: What happens next?
Answer: Concentrate on: 'Summer Rugby' (and this is where I have always disagreed with Mike Smith). Summer Rugby (for Murdoch) is OK for Superleague but, when access to Superleague is denied, Mike's vision of BBQ's etc (which were Mike's dream) are denied because the number of supporters in the Championship and now League 1 simply cannot (unfortunately) support Mike's dream.
Question: What is my solution?
Answer: It is obvious to a blind man that the lower divisions need to return to playing in winter (assuming that we still have a winter as a result of 'climate change').
Question: How can either 'Rach' of 'Guess Who' continue to support a failed organisation (by which I mean the RFL)? You ask me for reasons so I believe that you should also provide reasons for your comments.
Question: How can, with reduced central funding from the RFL, combined with ever-reducing so-called 'crowds' (was it 293 last week?) can any semi-professional club continue to exist?
Question: How can you justify the RFL's 'expansion programme' when a level playing-field does not exist? (Check the funding for Toulouse and Toronto and compare that with the funding for Championship 1 Clubs)
Answer: I'll await yours!
Question: What happens next?
Answer: 'Liquidation' with more Clubs to follow. Check York and now Sheffield.
Question: So what do the RFL do?
Answer: S** all!
Question: 'Dual Registration': Like it or not, it is yet another reason why the RFL is allowing a 'sloping' as opposed to a 'level' playing field. Look at what happened to us against Doncaster. We were hammered by two Superleague players who simply walked through our so-called 'defence'. What will happen tomorrow?
Answer: The RFL don't care. Just as they didn't when ineligible players played against us and no action was taken. They are simply interested in their expenses-paid trips to France and Canada and getting fatter by the day instead of looking after the founding Clubs in the north.
I rest my case but look forward to your comprehensive responses to my questions and answers.
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| Well Doncaster only have Feka today in their 19 today.
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| So, you don't count Iafeta Palea'aesina as a Dual Registered player? Or, have I misunderstood your 'post'?
When will March march?
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| How much more evidence is required for the 'Non-Believers'?
The RFL make the Rules but they never abide by them!
Hoping to achieve the goal of playing in Superleague, how many more Clubs will fall by the wayside whilst the Executives of the RFL sail into the sunset safe from the ravages which they have released on the clubs in the nether regions of the league?
Sheffield Eagles
The Eagles, a part-time side since 2000, went full-time this season in a bid to win promotion to the Super League but missed out on a place in the qualifiers.
A club spokesman saidSource
York City Knights
Ford signed an extended two-year deal with the Minster city outfit earlier this season but, amid continued uncertainty surrounding next season given ongoing takeover talks and the latest ground issues, he has recently been linked to coaching jobs at several teams in all three tiers of professional rugby league – among them Wakefield, Featherstone, Sheffield and [iKeighley[/i.
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Bradford Bulls
It is shaping up as one of the biggest exoduses at Odsal in living memory.
Of the 2016 Bulls squad, well over 20 players will not be here next season.
Several have secured deals elsewhere and plenty of others are surplus to requirements.
Lee Gaskell, Dale Ferguson and Paul Clough have agreed moves to Huddersfield, while Mitch Clark and Danny Addy are off to Hull KR.
All five face a nervous wait to discover if the club they have agreed to join retain their Super League status in the coming weeks. ........
The Bulls are working hard behind the scenes to significantly reduce the wage bill after spending over £1million on players during the past season.
Smith admits that some players were let go with financial considerations in mind and he will have a severely trimmed-down squad next term.
The mass exodus is not dissimilar to the end of the 2012 campaign, when the Bulls went into administration and over a dozen players jumped ship. ......
But if they could not make the top four with a large and expensive squad, what hope do they have with a far smaller group?
Source: Telegraph & Argus
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| Quote: 666 "
In no way did I show support for the RFL in my post , who IMHO at times have made a complete and utter testicles up of running the game in this country..
I meerly took you to task over the quote you made regarding the usual clap trap around percieved bias towards the expansion clubs by the RFL and its effect on the struggling 'established' clubs ..[i 'Is this a cunning plan by the RFL to ensure the demise of long-established Clubs for the benefit of EXPANSION?'
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As i said repeating myself yet I can't speak for Toronto or Toulouse regarding RFL but the other 'expansion' teams , the Southern Clubs , South Wales and Newcastle receive exactly the same 'support' from the RFL as any another M62 league 1 club...
For a lot of these clubs whilst the success on the field will take time to establish and in many case not having a steady pool of players on their doorsteps will always hinder that , Ive seen this season some cracking initiatives off the field by these clubs looking to strengthen their position. Skolars adding to their successful season the field have worked with the local authority to see new community facilities built at the New River , Newcastle and Coventry continue to build stronger links ups with the local RU sides (Cougars game at the Ricoh and Thunder 4000 attendence Friday Night before Magic Weekend great examples) .All Golds through the hard work of the visionary Lionel Hirst have the tie up with the University producing players , access to quality media and performance facilities.I don't doubt they will have received help and advice from the RFL along the way , but the initiatives have to come from the clubs themselves ,If you don't ask you don't don't get .
Even my 'adopted' club this season Hemel despite their lowly league position , are in a stronger position than most,owning and creating revenue from their 'community owned ' club and ground (shares available if anyones interested ). bar open seven nights a week with regular events on , two open age sides and juniors from under 7s to 17s playing out of there, darts teams , five a side football using the MUGA , community groups using it as a meeting room , weddings, funeral , bar mitzvahs etc etc . The league 1 side is only a small part of all that ...
Even going back to the 'Heartlands Clubs ' , Hunslet , Barrow and Rochdale , when things have got tough the supporters got off their s stepped up and did something to save their clubs (with the help of Supporters Direct) and now all seem to be doing nicely thank you ...
If you are that concerned step away from behind the keyboard and go do something about it ,go personally ask the directors what they are doing to up the crowds ,spread the word, put up match posters ,encourage your mates down to Cougar Park... whatever ....(the Fev faithful built two whole stands for God sake !!) .....
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| If you are that concerned step away from behind the keyboard and go do something about it ,go personally ask the directors what they are doing to up the crowds ,spread the word, put up match posters ,encourage your mates down to Cougar Park... whatever ....(the Fev faithful built two whole stands for God sake !!) .....'"
Great post Rach but with all due respect a number of supportes tried
To start a Community Trust for the club within Sport Direct a few years ago Called 'Pride in the Red & Green' . This was all done above board and within sport directs rules and guidelines .
It was a total fail in the end up as it was constantly met with total Apathy .
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| I like to think that I have 'done my bit' in the 50 years that I have supported Keighley and the Cougars whilst living in and around Keighley.
However, since 2012, I have lived on the south coast but we have always watched the Cougars whenever we have been in and around Keighley during the season but even a 600 mile round-trip is asking a little too much. However, we have supported the Cougars at the Skolars and Hemel.
Today's result must surely beg the question: 'When will Paul March admit that he simply isn't good enough to be our coach?'
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| Quote: 666 "I like to think that I have 'done my bit' in the 50 years that I have supported Keighley and the Cougars whilst living in and around Keighley.
However, since 2012, I have lived on the south coast but we have always watched the Cougars whenever we have been in and around Keighley during the season but even a 600 mile round-trip is asking a little too much. However, we have supported the Cougars at the Skolars and Hemel.
Today's result must surely beg the question
Should have happened at least 18 month
ago 666 me owd love , we're stuck in the league of doom
For yet another season ........ but at least there is Canada to
Look forward to eh ? ......
What a blaady farce.
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| We'll get to play them at home only, lol
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