I think you answered your own question there Pete.

I'm not going to call players turnstiles if they put in an immence defensive effort like they did against Dewsbury or Sheffield.

This was one of the worst defensive displays I've seen in years compounded by the fact we played a very good side who took full advantage of every mistake we made.

I respect your opinion Pete, I really do. But I, like you , paid £14 to stand, cheer and watch that on Thursday. I think that entitles me to harshly criticise if I think the performance was sub-standard.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, or being honest (from your perspective) about how a player/team performed.

If a player can't take a bit of stick then they are in the wrong game. However, there is a fine line when constructive criticism turns into something destructive and I think that at cougars we don't have many people who do that. I think our players are genuinely proud and feel lifted by how we respond when things don't go right.

We still have a couple of "supporters" who target individual players with abuse from the terrace and although this may be called "saying it as they see it" I personally think its counter productive. If a player is down on form or confidence, shouting abuse isn't going to solve it.

I thought it interesting to compare the Widnes and Fev games. Widnes burst our line across the park but Fev targeted individuals - they even ran across the line by 40m to get to them. IMHO It is a solvable problem - our defensive line needs to move straighter and faster and certain individuals need to re-learn how to tackle. Oh, and we need to keep supporting our team

We knew it was going to be a long hard season and it still remains a very tough task.

Our expectations have been raised by our gradual improvements and perhaps this has given us and the players a reality check.

This I definitely agree with. There's one who stands behind me in the Jewson who never sings, never cheers and does nothing but slag players off. It does my head in.

If I'm going to criticise I'll save it for after the game.

We also have a few that seem to be more loyal to the players than are the club. I don't know why either, players come and go but the club is always around.

Have to agree with certain players being targeted by Fev. Powell had seen weaknesses and exploited them, you have to say that's good coaching.

Honest question.

Is it a case of no matter how bad, players play, we the fans cannot say anything against them?
If that is the case then, what is the reason?

Oh for goodness sake we are going down that road again. Crap game for us, we learn from it, we come out against Barrow steaming. End off. Still love Danny Jones He really plucked at my heartstrings that night!!

My reply is in my previous post

I think people have every right to say what they think, within reason, and lets be fair there is a right way and a wrong way.

If a player produces a series of errors that lead to a tries for the opposition then fans will be rightly disgruntled and the player himself will probably be gutted. Would the best response from the fans be
a) You are a useless to**er and a disgrace to the shirt, sort him out Eaton (I have actually heard this on the terrace)
or
b) Come on lad you know you are better than that, get your head up and get stuck in

After the match would it be better to write on this forum:

a) Player "x" is a useless good for nothing toerag who should be stretched over a barbed wire fence and whipped until he plays like I want him to. The board should risk the future of the club by spending money we haven't got on superstars so I can bask in their reflected glory.
or
b) I know we are skint but player "x" cost us the game. If he does not improve Barry will have to consider one of the young lads.

Answers on the back of a £50 note to the Barry Eaton player fund

I may sound flippant, but I'm just trying to put accross my point

The thing is Dreamer, you are going from one extreme to another.

People posting on here, seem to be something in between.

I cant see anything wrong with what people have posted.

Show me where I have said there is anything wrong with what people have posted.

I am merely debating constructive criticism and using extremes to illustrate a point.

Or are you reading too much into my post

You asked a question and I answered it. The whole point is that constructive criticism is useful but within limits (and is different for each individual). If you go too far you actually defeat the objective of producing a positive change in behaviour.

I have never said, you said that. I was just pointing out how it looked to me.



Good man, keep it up.

thats one of the big problems with forums. People true meanings may not comes across as they mean it. That or other people can read something there, that isnt.
Could this be the case from both of us????????????



So did i.

Well I suppose it just goes to show that one person writes black, the other reads white

At the risk of becoming a pedantic bore and just for the record:

1) People can say what they want about players, the club etc.

2) I don't care that people say what they want, but I, like anyone else, have the right to respond.

3) I didn't say anyone was giving me a hard time I used it as an example that its easier for me to respond to any criticism than a player. Players have to think about the image of the club and the wishes of the coach, management and sponsors before they potentially upset anyone.

4) I didn't say any player was having a bad patch, it was a generalisation that in such an instant criticism might be counterproductive.

5) I think Greg Austin was a money grabbing prima donna.

6) Debating on this site is rather like throwing sweets at a crowd. Some will go over their heads

Was that post, black or white????????????????????????????????

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