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Quote: guess who "I have checked with the admins of the site.
There was a problem with spamming sites and that the article was posted in full. With no link to it.
These two are not allowed.

No problem with boxweirs posts as such just the way this was done.

If boxweir is reading this then please send a email to support.rlfans.com and it can be all sorted out.

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A quick message on behalf of boxweir to Guess Who , He has emailed the admins 3 times and had no joy icon_frustrated.gif Any suggestions for him? cheers

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Quote: SKINDRED "A quick message on behalf of boxweir to Guess Who , He has emailed the admins 3 times and had no joy
Hiya.

I have just put a post in the admin/mod section about this.
As soon as i hear anything i will pass it on.

Jim.

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Hi boxweir.

Sorry for the delay.

If you follow this link it will be sorted out. It may take a day or two seeing as its the weekend.

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Hi boxweir.

Sorry for the delay.

If you follow this link it will be sorted out. It may take a day or two seeing as its the weekend.

support.rlfans.com/index.php


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Hi all it's boxweir, firstly thanks for trying to help guess who but the link you gave me was what I did on Tuesday and since then I have sent 4 e-mails explaining my side and asking for an explanation as to why they have blocked me and I still haven't heard anything. Mean while I have registered under the exact same name and contact details as my previous username the only difference been the username I am using now and they have activated me eusa_think.gif

I personally think we have rattled someone's cage because when I posted on all the clubs forums everybody was talking about it and what a great article it was and how everyone nearly agreed that the franchise system in place is a joke and clearly isn't working as it should especially the super league clubs. The points made about spamming sites is rubbish because the amount of forums that I went on and there were the same stuff posted through out such as charity stuff, well isn't that spamming. The point made about copyright is wrong as we have had full permission from mike smith and league express to use it and so on, this isn't a pop at you guess who so please don't think that but it just seems someone doesn't want this debate starting because if it built momentum and clubs started to get on board with it then where would it take us, probably to a place someone doesn't want it to go.

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This article is posted in full on Totalrl.com. There are several threads on there about p and r and franchises. There is definitely a debate going on throughout the game re the ring fencing of SL. One fact that has emerged is, asMike Smith has pointed out in his article, that when Sky first came along, The RFL was bypassed and the SL organisation signed the contract with Sky and has exclusive rights to dish out the money as they see fit. The original SL crew was a backroom meeting of the big clubs and the whole game was highjacked by them.

My opinion is that the SL is too small. They need to increase the number of teams in it and the top championship teams need to be allowed in if they meet the necessary criteria. The RFL need to speak to Sky before the next contract about getting a bigger deal for an extended SL. SL has been ringfenced and expansion or P and r to it has been denied because of the present teams being in charge of the cash from Sky and refusing to share it out with more teams.

If they will not expand SL then more cash needs to be flowing downwards to the Championships. With more TV sports channels out there than previously, Sky, ESPn, BBC, al Jazheera more TV money should be available if a concerted, coherent strategy is adopted by the game to negotiate with the TV companys.

When the CC1 is expanded next year, in theory the lower leagues should have enough votes to outvote the SL clubs at the RFL but the money will still be controlled by SL. No one wants the full story to be re hashed as to what went on at the start of SL because it was all so underhand and no real chance to consider the whole implications of the deal was given to the clubs. They were co erced into voting for the deal with the threat that if it wasnt agreed to right away the offer would be withdrawn. I am not so sure that Sky had demanded that or if the SL backroom cabal pushed it through.

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Quote: On the terraces "Hi all it's boxweir, firstly thanks for trying to help guess who but the link you gave me was what I did on Tuesday and since then I have sent 4 e-mails explaining my side and asking for an explanation as to why they have blocked me and I still haven't heard anything. Mean while I have registered under the exact same name and contact details as my previous username the only difference been the username I am using now and they have activated me andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... rugby.html
Andy Burnham MP is writing an open letter to the new chairman of the RFL on this very subject, he too is dismayed at the way the game has gone and is going, and would like all Rugby League supporters to back him by signing said letter. Please follow this link and add you name to the list.....

andyburnhammp.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... rugby.html


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Quote: forwardpass1 "Andy Burnham MP is writing an open letter to the new chairman of the RFL on this very subject, he too is dismayed at the way the game has gone and is going, and would like all Rugby League supporters to back him by signing said letter. Please follow this link and add you name to the list.....


He is not the only one speaking out against it. Sam Tomkins has his say
menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... mfort-zone

Also Eamon McManus, chairman of St Helens has spoken out against it.
Quote: forwardpass1 "Andy Burnham MP is writing an open letter to the new chairman of the RFL on this very subject, he too is dismayed at the way the game has gone and is going, and would like all Rugby League supporters to back him by signing said letter. Please follow this link and add you name to the list.....


He is not the only one speaking out against it. Sam Tomkins has his say
menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... mfort-zone

Also Eamon McManus, chairman of St Helens has spoken out against it.


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Here is the link to the full Andy Burnham MP Article, I didn't have it when I put my original post on....

www.andyburnham.net/

Sorry it's exactly the same...... d040.gif
Here is the link to the full Andy Burnham MP Article, I didn't have it when I put my original post on....

www.andyburnham.net/

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I was interested to see Boots N All this week when Eddie posed the question to Paul Cullen and Shaun McRae. Understandably both supported the current system which will probably come as no surprise to anyone.

McRae talked about the current license system being about business sustainability. A nice word, but what does that actually mean. Money over an agreed period and allows planning and forecasting possibly. What about the Dulls/London who have all had issues?

I know on the Wire forum Mike Smith's article was discussed and to be honest got some disappointing answers from in my opinion short sighted fans. They talked about the jump from part time to full time. If I recall correctly the Cougars were in the main full time for a season to two prior to our grand final win. I'm not sure but I guess others in our league may well have players on retained full time contracts at that time. This outside SL is now unheard of. With that in mind, surely SL has created a gap in this sense.

SL clubs in the main would appear to be richer and the clubs outside poorer. Is that what SL was all about?

More money has to come into the Champ from SL to bridge that gap. Is that ever going to happen? Are SL clubs ever going to hand over £100K? I think we all know the answer to that.

Let's face it, RL is not football and does not have the same income stream or revenues. However, for me opening up P & R would involve drastic changes to the admin of our game. Widnes are a classic example of how this system does not work. I could be bias and probably am, but I'm not convinced the Cougars would have suffered the same issues Widnes are having now if we had been rightly promoted. Look at London who also got promoted from nowhere. Has that ever worked?

On Boots N All they talked about Catalans being an example of how the franchise system works? I'd first like to know how much money has been thrown at them by the RFL. Then I'd like to know how this corresponds to that being provided to the standard SL club to see if there is a clear disparity. I bet there is.

This post probably creates more discussion that answers, but I for one am disillusioned by the admin and set-up of this great game. I think now is the time to change for the better.

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I think the first thing that has to be addressed before P&R can be brought back is making the Championship a vibrant, viable competition that's able of producing teams of a sound footing that can be promoted in to Super League. The product on the field is superb, but who's turning up to watch it? There were 700 at our game last week, why? Is there anybody in the Championship at the moment that would add more to Super League than a current side?

Would P&R be purely based on League performance? Or should criteria need to be met? Personally I think you need criteria perhaps along the lines of.
- Minimum ground capacity of 10,000
- Average attendance exceeding 3,000
- Not been in administration in the last 10 years
- No salary cap breaches in the last 5 years
- Debt (excluding loans for stadium improvements) does not exceed £250k.
- No debt owed to HMRC, the RFL, other clubs, club directors or club staff including players.

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Is there anybody in the Championship at the moment that would add more to Super League than a current side?

Though it pains me to say it ,Personally dont think you have to look further than Post Office Road to say without doubt yes .

I've visited Fev, as well as many other clubs a few times over the past few season not just as a speccie but through work and I've got to say on most occasions the professionalism of the place off the field shines through in comparison of most if not all Championship Clubs and puts a lot of the SL Clubs to shame as well.

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Quote: Stealth Comic "I think the first thing that has to be addressed before P&R can be brought back is making the Championship a vibrant, viable competition that's able of producing teams of a sound footing that can be promoted in to Super League. The product on the field is superb, but who's turning up to watch it? There were 700 at our game last week, why? Is there anybody in the Championship at the moment that would add more to Super League than a current side?

Would P&R be purely based on League performance? Or should criteria need to be met? Personally I think you need criteria perhaps along the lines of.
- Minimum ground capacity of 10,000
- Average attendance exceeding 3,000
- Not been in administration in the last 10 years
- No salary cap breaches in the last 5 years
- Debt (excluding loans for stadium improvements) does not exceed £250k.
- No debt owed to HMRC, the RFL, other clubs, club directors or club staff including players.'"


I would tend to agree with Rach in that adding Halifax or Feav would add more than having London who in fairness would not meet the attendance criteria you outlined. The RFL have clearly tried to expand the game outside of the M62 corridor, but under several guises now has London worked? I think P&R has to be about the on field performance again, rather that off field capability. I agree there is a need for a minimum criteria but promoting any team who have not finished top or won grand final to me is ridiculous.

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I spoke to a guy a last Thursday at the game,he said this time last year the excitment was there watching Keighley Cougars even playing so called lesser opposition,this year it all feels a bit flat.Why because there was promotion and each each game ment something,this season we are playing for,well maybe a chance to put your name on a list with 4 or 5 other clubs so in 3 years time some nameless group of people get to decide if you can join there gang,and people wonder why the crowd is not what it should be,by the way some of you may know the guy, Mike Smith.

By the way the Union game is just about to go through the same thing league did many years ago.With 2 teams who should be fighting it out to play in the top flight,being told no,I believe at least one of those clubs may take legal action,does that sound familiar.

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