but where does your view come from as ive kept an eye on every team this year and alot of results to me are shocks and show that the super league is an open competition, and yes saints in last 5 finals and how many have they won shows me its far more open than you would care to imagine.

In the NRL this season there have been 17 games where the margin of victory has been 30 points or more.

In the Super League this season there have been 54 games where the margin of victory has been 30 points or more.

In the NRL this season there was 1 game where the margin of victory was 50 points or greater.

In the Super League this season there were 10 games where the margin of victory was 50 points or greater. Warrington were the winning team in 6 of these games.

I think this safely suggests that the NRL is a vastly more competitive league than Super League. And that the difference between the best teams and the weaker teams in Super League is vast. Our best players are not getting competitive games week in, week out, unless they happen to play down under.

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i do believe the debate was one of an open competiton and yes i your right on the results front there is a massive difference but what was that comment oh thats right warrington were in 6 of them games,oh the same warrington that made it to the grand final ? oh no wait they didnt make it that far, this showing it is an open competition.

How many team have won the Super League Grand Final since it's inception?

How many teams have made the Super League Grand Final in the last 5 years?

How many teams have made the Super League Grand final since it's inception?

How many teams have played in Super League since it's inception?

Answer these simple questions and you will realise that Super League is not a wide open competition where any team can possibly win it. Despite a salary cap in place which in theory should make the competition open, there are only 5 or 6 teams, less than half the league, that are capable of spending all of it and funnily enough these are the perennial contenders.

Just because Warrington lost at home to Leeds in a one off playoff game does not meant the competition is open.

it doesnt matter how many teams have been in the grand final what matters is the games during the season that shows it is an open tournament as alot of the results have shown through the last season.

how can you not see leeds as been the underdogs the year just gone, everybody wrote them off and they proved that this tournament is open just because they have been in previous finals.

This is the Leeds side with Sinfield, Peacock, Webb, Burrow, McGuire, Hall and Jones-Buchanan in it? They under achieved in the regular season, still made the cup final mind, but as the saying goes "Form is temporary, class is permanent"

Leeds proved that Super League is open because they won this season's grand final and have appeared in previous finals?

I suppose using this same fine logic it means that Super League is an open tournament because St Helens have featured in the last 5 Grand Finals.

the competition is an open one and if you stodd and asked any super league coach they would tell you there wasnt a team in the league they considered an easy game. just because certain teams make it to the final and bigger games does not mean it isnt an open contest i think the statement you arelooking for is that , super league although an open competition through the regular season come the business end certain teams rise above the others. just because its the same teams does not mean it is not an open competition.

the same could be said of championship it must not be open because featherstone and halifax seem to be always the higher rated teams. so should the cougars throw the towel in before its started ?

A super league coach would tell you there no potentially easy game is an easy game for the sake of psychology so that players don't become complacent.
The competition isn't as open as it could be.
The Championship is more open. For example the play off winners of the championship over the past 5 years have been: Castleford (2007), Salford (200icon_cool.gif, Barrow (2009), Halifax (2010), Featherstone (2011) i.e. 5 different teams

Also Featherstone have been strong the last couple of seasons but their rise in end of year league positions has risen over the past 5 years:
2007 Ch1 2nd
2008 Ch 8th
2009 Ch 6th
2010 Ch 1st
2011 Ch 1st
And this is why Keighley should not throw the towel in! Because if we match Featherstone we can top the league in 3 seasons and maybe sooner or maybe pickup other silverware along the way.

I do see where you are coming from. However I wouldn't consider the SPL or La Liga open leagues based on the shock results of last weekend, F.C Barcelona losing to Getafe and Glasgow Rangers lost to St Mirren.

By no means is Super League a completely closed shop when you compare it to say Spanish, Portuguese and Scottish Football. Neither is it the most open league either when you compare it to the NFL, NRL, NHL or Championship Football.

Now as regards your last point, I think this coming season's Championship will be a good one. You've mentioned Featherstone and Fax as the better teams and I think you're right. I have Fev as favourites, why? Because they're well coached, and have stability and continuity in the side. Fax have a new coach and have recruited heavily with good players, I think it may take them half a dozen games or so to gel. I don't think they're miles better than everyone else Leigh and Sheffield will be there or thereabouts and then the rest are pretty equal. Us and Swinton have come up and recruited well, Batley have lost the coach and some of their best players to Fax. Dewsbury always seem have a beast of a pack. Hunslet and York have some pretty good players in their side.

All the more need to keep the faith, I think we've a good chance at making the top 6 this season.