You might as well beat them up. The results are the same, and so is the damage.

Yes there arehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventionsrl

People do care.

However, if you are fighting a war to defend a set of values,. then surely you have to do your damndest to adhere to those values?

War is a horrible thing, but they are regulated by the Geneva Convention.

This states that prisoners of war cannot be tortured.

Despite the Bush administration calling it a war on terror, they used a loophole to justify torture by saying that because the US didn't formally declare war on a country (Afghanistan) but invaded the country to pursue Al-Qa'ida it technically isn't a war and the Geneva Convention doesn't apply.

They're a set of hypocrites, you can't say it's a war one minute and not the next.

I just wonder when Al-Qa'ida signed up to it?

That should only apply when both sides sign up to it.
If they don't then anything can go.

Al-Qa'ida would happily behead one of our soldiers on tv.

I have no problem with Guantamo Bay.

Getting someone in a prison and asking them "now be a nice chap and tell us what plans you have to kill or soldiers", is all well and good. But what do you do when he tells you to off?

And tell me this: what has guantanamo bay actually acheived?

It's a damn good promotional and recruitmnet tool for Al-Qa'ida as far as I can see.

And our side acting like barbarians only serves to legitamise them doing the same.

You can't fight a war based on morals without having morals.

Terrorism relies on weakness and fear.

A terrorist would happily jump you from behind, with no warning, but cry like a stuck pig when anything happens to them. It was the same with the IRA and its the same today, they use our laws, clever lawyers and loopholes to hamstring us.

I do not think that we should lower our moral standards but we need a much more robust approach with terrorists (and their supporters).

I suspect the yanks want him to find out how he did it and persuade him to work for them

Punishment is the furthest thing from their mind.

Just as an aside, I hope people realise that full blooded support of Gauntanamo Bay can only lump them into the same ideological and intellectual bracket as this chaphttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v

Hence the smiley.

Dohhhhh!

Are we suggesting that we Waterboard Neil and Colin to get info re the current situation at the Club?