What happened to boxweir's posts ?? I wanted to read that again this morning but its gone

Some very inspirational words of encouragement spoken and I for one agree not only is it time but long long overdue for an overhaul of the current system.

Promotion and relegation should definitely be on the cards lets give the championship something to play for other than pride. How are the clubs expected to
invest without receiving some potential for promotion. Not to mention retaining players as in the current system these guys are working extremely hard in
order to raise their game, but lets face it without moving clubs how can they raise it much further.

There are a couple of different ways to look at the word league 1League a group of sports clubs that play each other over a period for a championship.
2 In League conspiring with another or others.

I would suggest the current format creates a Super In League which is presently conspiring to keep others out rather than share the spoils.

I think the first thing that has to be addressed before P&R can be brought back is making the Championship a vibrant, viable competition that's able of producing teams of a sound footing that can be promoted in to Super League. The product on the field is superb, but who's turning up to watch it? There were 700 at our game last week, why? Is there anybody in the Championship at the moment that would add more to Super League than a current side?

Would P&R be purely based on League performance? Or should criteria need to be met? Personally I think you need criteria perhaps along the lines of.
- Minimum ground capacity of 10,000
- Average attendance exceeding 3,000
- Not been in administration in the last 10 years
- No salary cap breaches in the last 5 years
- Debt (excluding loans for stadium improvements) does not exceed £250k.
- No debt owed to HMRC, the RFL, other clubs, club directors or club staff including players.

Is there anybody in the Championship at the moment that would add more to Super League than a current side?

Though it pains me to say it ,Personally dont think you have to look further than Post Office Road to say without doubt yes .

I've visited Fev, as well as many other clubs a few times over the past few season not just as a speccie but through work and I've got to say on most occasions the professionalism of the place off the field shines through in comparison of most if not all Championship Clubs and puts a lot of the SL Clubs to shame as well.

I would tend to agree with Rach in that adding Halifax or Feav would add more than having London who in fairness would not meet the attendance criteria you outlined. The RFL have clearly tried to expand the game outside of the M62 corridor, but under several guises now has London worked? I think P&R has to be about the on field performance again, rather that off field capability. I agree there is a need for a minimum criteria but promoting any team who have not finished top or won grand final to me is ridiculous.

I spoke to a guy a last Thursday at the game,he said this time last year the excitment was there watching Keighley Cougars even playing so called lesser opposition,this year it all feels a bit flat.Why because there was promotion and each each game ment something,this season we are playing for,well maybe a chance to put your name on a list with 4 or 5 other clubs so in 3 years time some nameless group of people get to decide if you can join there gang,and people wonder why the crowd is not what it should be,by the way some of you may know the guy, Mike Smith.

By the way the Union game is just about to go through the same thing league did many years ago.With 2 teams who should be fighting it out to play in the top flight,being told no,I believe at least one of those clubs may take legal action,does that sound familiar.

Automatic promotion and relegation is essential.

If all the clubs knew that there was automatic P&R and for the long term, they would over time gear up to be successful.

You don't need to set minimum standards such as above; so long as your ground has a safety certificate that should be enough. If, over time, your attendances are not big enough for whatever reason, you probably won't get promoted anyway as you won't have the revenue to finance a winning team.

You get league points deducted for an insolvency event, salary cap breaches etc anyway.