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Quote: Dreamer "We don't sling accusations on this board we "debate" we leave the "slinging" to the York board where hysterical frenzy, lynch mobs and ducking stools still abound. It must be the city walls that have made you all so insular and paranoid.



Being serious for a moment - If what you say is true then Daley deserves to be punished. You've seen the video, I have not, so I can only take your comment at face value. In real time and viewed once only, it looked like Ratcliffe's "shove" was an attempted punch. We don't know if there are mitigating circumstances (I am not "slinging accusations" and suggesting there are). Keith Senior, for instance, claimed in his defence that Wilkin said something personal that instigated their fracas. Apparently, the RFL took that into account in only giving him a 1 match ban - I wonder what would have happened if Keith had broken his Jaw? The RFL, apparently, are more interested in intent rather than injury sustained.

At the end of the day RL is a contact sport where tempers do boil over into punch ups. I'm not so sure that many RL players have the delidberate intent to cause injury. I hope that Ratcliffe makes a speedy recovery, I would not wish an injury on anyone.

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Dreamer,

I do appreciate what you are saying and at first viewing it does look as if Ratcliffe does retaliate to being shoved in the back and in real time it could be construed as a punch, but if you slow it down you can see it is the flat of the hands on his chest and only a split second before he is hit in the face and then again on the way down, i understand what you say about heat of the moment etc, but if you are like me and i expect you are, there is no reason whatsoever for such acts in our sport and unfortunately i can't see any other outcome but a ban for Williams.

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Quote: guess who "Your whole argument rest on one frame that you have frozen in time.

Are you trying to tell me that you know exactly that Daley know it was a flat hand hitting him?
Even you say it was a spilt second before Daley throws the punch.

You have to look at the whole thing not just one frozen frame.'"


Believe me guess who i have watched and watched again, i have no axe to grind with Daley the fact is that it was an act of stupidity at the time, if injuries occur during the course of the game then whilst it is unfortunate it as to be accepted as part of the game, but you have got to admit our game is hard enough without such acts and yes i can see your point but it still doesn't retract from the point i was trying to make, god forbid it ever happens on a rugby field but we have all read reports of people being killed with just one punch, i appreciate that may sound a bit dramatic but it has happened and no doubt will happen again

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The report says controversally, the Ref put the incident on report but took no further action.

Well if they didnt see anything at the time, all they can do it put it on report.

One other thing. Isn't time to end this stupid argument?. The game is over, move on.
The RFL will do what they need to do. York fans start to focus on Oldham. Cougar Fans start looking forward to the Grand Final.

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When RL is played at 1/24 of a second slow motion then the Video referee and events which are being discussed may have merit.

However, thankfully, the game isn't but sadly the Video ref still exists and now it's trial by slow motion.

Life is NOT slow motion it moves on a quite a pace.

If this kind of action is taken further the the entire game will need reviewing at the same speed so that ALL the offences ( and there will be many) can be seen and dealt with fairly.

Totally impractical I would suggest.

What happens when the cameras are not there or it is an amateur game?

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Have just had a look at the footage.

It's of quite poor quality but I will concede that Daley put the first shove in but who knows what or if anything was said beforehand.

Certainly clear that Daley threw a left hook but we all knew that anyway. I could honestly not see a second punch thrown due to the quality of the footage.

To be honest I think he deserves maybe a 1 or 2 game ban. icon_cry.gif

I certainly don't think the police would prosecute on that evidence. Righly they're more concerned with catching rapists, murderers, paedophiles, and drug dealers than sorting out a fracas at a Rugby League match.

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Quote: gordano "Believe me guess who i have watched and watched again, i have no axe to grind with Daley the fact is that it was an act of stupidity at the time, if injuries occur during the course of the game then whilst it is unfortunate it as to be accepted as part of the game, but you have got to admit our game is hard enough without such acts and yes i can see your point but it still doesn't retract from the point i was trying to make, god forbid it ever happens on a rugby field but we have all read reports of people being killed with just one punch, i appreciate that may sound a bit dramatic but it has happened and no doubt will happen again'"


Likewise i have no axe to grind with your player.
The way i see it is, it is a hard game and yes we all hope no player gets hurt.
But Daley is not a dirty player. Non of us know what had lead up to this. Only the two players will be able to tell us.

Yes we do hear of people being killed with one punch. The thing is you are never going to stop it happening on the field.

Maybe if the ref had got a better grip of the game it may not have happened.

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