No, a small minority of the fans are to blame, and that is the naive/deluded fans who think we should still be in the Champions League.

The other fans know that we don't deserve that, i don't expect anything like that anytime soon, but the small minority always get the Newcastle haters thinking it is everyone that has unrealistic expectations.

thought gonzales had gone alright myself. don't think you can blame the mess you're in on three players wise ushered in though. quite a few keegan/pre-wise buys have done feck all to be fair.

Bassong is a Keegan signing and he has been probably our best player this season.

Im not blaming the 3 players, they just happen to have been really below par, or haven't played. 1 person has to carry the blame for the way he has run the club, the massive mistakes he has made and the position we find ourselves in now, and that is Ashley.

Gonzales hasn't even played mate.

was thinking of gutierrez he was a good player at mallorca

Gutierrez has been good, played better at the start of the season, he is more creative than other midfielders we have, he just hasn't scored for us yet. None of our players look like scoring.

Ashley certainly deserves a huge portion of the blame.

But equal portions of the blame need serving to Kevin Keegan and the previous ownership/board.

But you'll probably never accept that Keegan is even slightly to blame. Far easier for you to direct the blame at Dennis Wise rather than Keegan.

Keegan must surely shoulder alot of the blame.

The fans wanted Ashley out after Keegan walked away (again) so he tried to sell the club. In this time, rather than employing a massively paid manager, he went for a short term measure in Kinnear, so the new owners could bring in who they saw fit. Not a bad move. The issue arose when no buyers were found. So then, they were f**ked. If the fans wouldn't of sent Ashley the threats, abused his family and generally made his role as owner a nightmare, he may've employed someone more suitable than Joe Kinnear as manager.

it is amazing how many, many newcasle fans see keegan as whiter than white.

Keegan walked because he wasn't given what he was promised, because he didn't get the players he publically stated time and time again that he needed (left back and creative midfielder) and because he had Wise bringing players in that he didn't want.

Keegan is a strong willed individual, why should he work with people not giving him what they offered him, after all Ashley and Mort were both quoted as saying that Keegan had "last word on all transfers", which unfortunately, wasn't how it worked.

I don't expect the Newcastle haters on here to take in the facts, at the end of the day they have their own agenda towards Newcastle and i doubt that will change. But why should Keegan stay? ? ? So he can be undermined and dictated to as manager? ? ? No way, i dont blame him at all for walking. Yes it left us in the s*it a bit, but there is no way he should be dictated to and lied to by the owners and chairman.

Also guys, bare in mind that when one of your loyalist players in Given, jumps ship because he doesn't want to be part of the Ashley regime, then there is something wrong. But again, don't let fact get in the way of your hatred for Newcastle.

Good post, I would agree with all of that. Keegan walking did leave Newcastle in the mrie but he had little choice after the way he was treated and undermined.

Good point. Southall every time. Andy Gray's spoken for - have you got a number for Peter Reid?

Gaz, do you think every manager in the league gets exactly what they want? You said he wants a creative player. They don't grow on trees. Maybe there wasn't one of the required quality available to the club. Same with a left back, you shouldn't just bring any old left back in, surely you should get one that fulfils your requirements.

It's all well and good Keegan saying he needs this and that, what he gets is a different matter - the same with any club.

I'm sure Tony Mowbray wants a rock of a centre half and a 20 goal a season striker, but he can't have one. I don't see him walking out.