It's not a major tournament, no. There are 4 majors and Monty's won precisely 0 of them.

As for Wimbledon, it's weird watching centre court with no roof on.

Monty's not even won the "5th Major"!

While not being one of the 4 majors it is a 'big' tournament in the golfing world, which was my original if poorly phrased post.

And the Paris event Tim has won, once, is one of the Masters Series that are considered big events within the tennis world.

I don't think he's a great player, but if you think about the other dross we've had to put up with over the years, such as Jeremy Bates, then Henman has had a decent career.

Could it have been better, probably, but he's hardly been a duffer.

People who call Henman a 'loser' or a 'choker' etc clearly know nothing about tennis, and i'd suggest sport in general.

He's consistently been at the top of his profession for a good ten years, and in many ways been an excellent ambassador for the country and his sport.He's travelled the world doing something he enjoys, and has made a lot of money in the process. If he's a loser, can i be one too please?

I'm not sure, how middle class are you?

I'm from Padgate, so probably upper middle-class.

Though i fail to see what class has to do with it.

Well, lets ask all those British tennis players who used it as an escape from poverty shall we?

Still dont get it.


Ah , now i do. Youre one of those inverted snob types who resents anyone with more money than you. Right?

No, I just dislike priviledge. The inequalities in our society are a great evil which should be addressed. When even how long someone will live can be partly decided by their social class, then something is wrong.

Way of the world i'm afraid.

Youre privileged to use a computer. Plenty of folk out there who'd like one but cant afford one, are you going to give them yours?

Come on Tim!

Thought he did well to close out the match today and he has a chance of getting past Lopez I think it is in th next round.

I think it would be great if he could get to the second week and put up a good show for the crowd because it could be his last Wimbledon.

Federer won't drop a set all tournament imo.

If ya a top player you have honours. So now saying I was number 4 in the world on such a week ranks how along side grand slams?

How is monty a good golfer after bottling 50+ majors without a victory?

so love the henman thing though

well done henman for being a bum.

Not really sure how the Monty converstaion got on the Wimbledon thread but here's my 2peneth.

Both Monty and Tenmen have reached the pinacle of their chosen sport in terms of how many people try and fail to get to the level they have both performed at. However, neither has ever been world class, they have had occasional bursts of inspiration which has almost won them MAJOR titles (The Ryder Cup is a team game). Tenmen, I feel was the unluckier of the pair, he always seemed to be in the same half of the draw as pistol Pete at the top of his game(at Wimbledon anyway). We will not be reading about either of them in the tennis or golf book of legends in 50 years time!

The Ryder Cup is a team game where the best 12 (?) players in Europe are chosen either on merit or by the captain. If Montgomery gets in the team of the best 12 European male golfers and has an outstanding record in Ryder Cups and comes close to winning majors on a few occasions, most notably last year's US Open, how can he be described as not being "world class". Montgomery also won something like 6 consecutive European orders of merit. For some reason, whatever it maybe, he's never won a major, but to argue that he's never been a world class golfer is b*llocks surely, especially if you use the argument that it's a team game - is Lionel Messi therefore not a world class footballer? Are you arguing that Paul Lawrie, Todd Hamilton or Ben Curtis are better golfers than Montgomerie purely because they've won 1 major each, but probably missed dozens of cuts and not even qualified for others?

Similarly Henman, for all his limitations, has been to 4 Wimbledon semis and has been as high as number 4 tennis player in the world, so I don't see how it can be argued that he's never been world class.