Indeed. Earned Hull a point almost single-handedly.

I don't know. He did use the other one now and again.

Don't forget Glen Johnson too. According to most people on here, he is utter e.

I like Johnson, he's been unlucky with injuries at Liverpool to be fair to him.

That must surely be the end of the road for him at City. Incredibly skilful but, even if he had the right attitude, he's just too frail for the Premier League. Plenty of small players have been successful, but usually they've had pace to make up for their lack of stature. Robinho isnt slow but he's not lightening quick and he's just too easily eased off the ball.

Yesterday's performance by City was on a par with that at Spurs. It will be interesting to see how Mancini responds.

Neither is Babel though

If you need proof of Rafa not having a clue look at his teamsheet yesterday. Degen and Aurelio outwide? 6 defenders starting?

Riera on the bench, Babel left out completely.

To be fair. We were winning playing like that, it was when the more offensive players came on where we lost it. The line up was poor, but the only other options we had were Riera and Rodriguez. Rodriguez has been here a matter of days whilst Riera is coming back from injury, away at Stoke isn't the best game to come back from. We had Babel but I can only guess that he will be sold in January and that's why he didn't travel.

Could have played Maxi as well. Drop lucas and put Aquilani in. Far more positive.

Where are the Newcastle fans who said "Milner is crap " and were made up when they sold him?

Busy looking over their shoulders at Billy Davies' Red army