Has anybody got the list of players where Brady ranked 21st, the video just isn't loading for me.

Thats probably a good spot really. He is maybe the 5th best QB of all time. Montana, Favre, Elway, Marino (in no particular order) above him and then a few in and around him. Obviously he could move up with a few more Superbowl wins (this time without cheating! )

Then there are other great players like Reggie White, Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders etc in other positions.

Brady has played in more than 1 system in NE though...

Weis had a different system to McDaniels who in turn has a different system to what Bill O'Brien has now.

If you want to say the system suited a QB don't you have to say the west coast offense was suited for Montana? you can't use one argument for one player and not for another - same goes for Manning he's had 3 different systems in his whole life.

You have tinted glasses I know but you are putting Brady on to higher pedestal. He's very good but as I've said previously I don't even think he's the best QB in the league.

No Superbowl team is going to be blessed with elite talent across the board. That's the role of the salary cap. You want me to go through winning Superbowl teams of the last few seasons and find you players who did nothing after they won it? I'm sure there will be a bucket load. I can probably find you a few that played for the Rams in 99 and 01.

If you are talking about systems then Manning is a system IMO. He has the highest football IQ of anyone in the league. He is the best QB I have seen play the game since I started watching.

Got to agree with that, the way Manning sees the game 95% of the time is just brilliant, and the other 5% is when he out thinks himself or the line breaks down in front of him.

All this talk of best players ever has made me think about some of my favourite players past/present so lets have a little friendly game to see what everyone else thinks, be interesting to see who everyone else likes/liked.

These players can be from before you started watching right up until now and are not necessarily the best just your personnal favourites!

3 Favourite ex players (not your own team)

1 Jerry Rice
2 Barry Sanders
3 Reggie White

3 Favourite ex players (from your own team)

1 Tedy Bruschi
2 Randy Moss
3 Andre Tippett

3 Current favourite players (not your own team)

1 Ray Lewis
2 Tony Gonzalez
3 Adrian Peterson

3 Current players that you would like to see your team sign

1 Andre Johnson
2 DeMarcus Ware
3 Larry Fitzgerald

3 Favourite current players for your team

1 Brandon Merriweather
2 Jerod Mayo
3 Tom Brady

3 Favourite ex players (not your own team)

1 Joe Montana
2 Jerry Rice
3 Ronnie Lott

3 Favourite ex players (from your own team)

1 Mike Vrabel
2 John Hannah
3 Willie McGinest

3 Current favourite players (not your own team)

1 Charles Woodson
2 David Harris
3 Nick Mangold
(2 Jets! )

3 Current players that you would like to see your team sign

1 Calvin Johnson
2 DeMarcus Ware
3 Nick Mangold

And just to add to it 3 favourite current Patriots: Jerod Mayo, Tom Brady, Aaron Hernandez/BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Tied 3rd)