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Quote: ST_CONROY "Mark, my picks arePackers (A-Rod will prove all the doubters wrong)
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What doubters?

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I don't see the fascination with him, sure he's won a SB, but he isn't a great coach.'"



This

Go on any Bucs board and you cant get through a thread without someone b[ii[/itching about the state he left us in icon_lol.gif

Do you know since 2003 we have only been in the playoffs twice and lost both games? Our record under him from 2003-2008 was 46-52.

He took over the Dungy team and managed to take us that 1 step further but then took us down hill after he made the team his own.

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Quote: WBFOP "Jon Gruden is a great self publicist. He did some good things at Oakland but he also started to build a roster that was heavy with over priced ageing veterans. Since the Superbowl the Raiders have been paying for that.

In Tampa he took Tony Dungy's defense, which reached pretty much its peak and won a Superbowl. After the Superbowl season Gruden went 45-51 with the Bucs and IMHO it was only Monte Kiffin's handling of the defense that got him that many wins.

He is thought of as this great offensive mind that came through under Mike Holmgren/Andy Reid's tutelage, but he is not. Look at the revolving door of QB's that rolled through Tampa on his watch and then hey presto he leaves and they get a franchise QB in Josh Freeman, go figure.

He also alienates too many players with his attitude and has been called a back stabber by many others.
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Or I could have read through the rest of the thread and noticed you said the same icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Harrigan "This

Go on any Bucs board and you cant get through a thread without someone b[ii[/itching about the state he left us in

Led you to a division title in 2007 but then you got stomped out by the eventual champion New York Football Giants.

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Quote: Nikaed "Led you to a division title in 2007 but then you got stomped out by the eventual champion New York Football Giants.'"


Yeah, we were 9-3 after week 13. Finished 10-6 and a playoff loss. Its like the 2008 season. We were 10-2 after week 13 and flying into the bye. 4 weeks later we are 10-6 and we dont even make the play offs. 1 win in the last 4 weeks over 2 years isnt the sign of a good coach is it icon_lol.gif

Compare that to Raheem with his limited options and he has already won 5 out of 8 in that important last 4 games of the year.

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Quote: Nikaed "What doubters?'"


those who don't think he is as good as Brady and Manning, those who think he needs to win a play-off game to be great, those who snubbed him from the pro-bowl, all those teams who passed over him in the draft, everybody who says he isn't clutch.

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Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?

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Quote: Emiliano Zapata "Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?'"


Im a member on tbaybucs.com but as you can tell by the name thats mainly our own stuff thats discussed.

NFLUK.com is pretty good but my main news source comes from the NFL page on FaceBook. They update all the time and it goes on your newsfeed. Twitters also good if you know who to follow. Jason La Canfora's very active.

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Quote: Harrigan "Im a member on tbaybucs.com but as you can tell by the name thats mainly our own stuff thats discussed.

NFLUK.com is pretty good but my main news source comes from the NFL page on FaceBook. They update all the time and it goes on your newsfeed. Twitters also good if you know who to follow. Jason La Canfora's very active.'"


As you showed me multiple times last week.

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Quote: Ande "As you showed me multiple times last week.'"



When? icon_lol.gif

Check out the chat thread on Southstander. Loz tried to slate me down for Sunday but it soon got turned around on him icon_wink.gif

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Quote: ST_CONROY "those who don't think he is as good as Brady and Manning, those who think he needs to win a play-off game to be great, those who snubbed him from the pro-bowl, all those teams who passed over him in the draft, everybody who says he isn't clutch.'"



Might well turn out to be the most clutch passer ever. He just hasn't done it "yet". I'm 100% sure he will though. It's been hard for him this year.

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Quote: Emiliano Zapata "Aside from this forum, what sites/forums do everyone else use for NFL news etc?'"



mortreport and Schefter on twitter for NFL news.


giantspathanlon
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for Giants related news. I kinda edge towards the NBA this time of year. Mainly due to the Giants having not made the playoffs or gone out in the first round.

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I get most of my info from rlPFTrl

JLC's twitter is just repeating what everyone else has said first. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Dodo "
JLC's twitter is just repeating what everyone else has said first.
To be fair most of the people I follow NFL wise do the same icon_lol.gif

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[b:33tg3xj5]Me:[/b:33tg3xj5] I'm still reeling from the news that someone is considering watching the 1st and 3rd game on Saturday and NOT watching Warrington play. It's like being in Shea Stadium when the Beatles came to town and deciding to nip out for a fag. [b:33tg3xj5]knockersbumpMKII:[/b:33tg3xj5] Is it FOOK, you're good but you're not THAT good, jesus you wanky fans need to get over yourselves, Beatles at the Shea in '65 was a once in a lifetime opportunity for some (despite the following years performance), you can watch a very good team in primrose & yellow play every week if you really wanted to but comparing it to one of the very best music groups of all time in an iconic stadia such as the shea is overegging your importance, you're not even the best team in SL atm:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50086.jpg



Quote: ST_CONROY "those who don't think he is as good as Brady and Manning, those who think he needs to win a play-off game to be great, those who snubbed him from the pro-bowl, all those teams who passed over him in the draft, everybody who says he isn't clutch.'"


Rodgers is excellent. Most sensible people would admit that. Sure, he has a few boxes to tick in terms of experience but he's already in the upper echelon.

Obviously he is nowhere near as good as Manning or Brady but that's hardly a criticism.

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