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| Quote: McClennan "Exactly. To make this simpler and easier to understand for those that are going to be exposed to ill-informed fan blogs on this, the difference is akin to breaking the law and breaking house rules. If you break the law you are guilty and face a legal penalty. If you break house rules you are subject to an internal penalty. You can break house rules without breaking the law, but you cannot break the law and not break house rules (politicians and members of the 1% excluded obviously).
It is quite possible that Terry may face action if he is deemed to have broken house rules. That he has admitted in court that he has used racially offensive language suggests that he has and strengthens the FA's case to implement a similar ban as to what Suarez received. Should Terry not receive any action then, as Cibaman has said, Liverpool may well have every right to complain.'"
What Suarez was accused of still breaks the law.
Suarez's ban was because he was found guilty of multiple counts.
The action was taken against Suarez because the victim complained directly towards the FA and wanted them to pursue the matter.
Action was taken against Terry because one person, an off duty police officer who claims to have watched the clip on TV, complained. Nobody else heard the comments. Not the supposed victim, none of his team mates, none of Terry's team mates, none of the crowd, not the referee.
Scousers will still claim to be the victims in this, like they always do. But no one else should buy into their nonsense.
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "What Suarez was accused of still breaks the law.
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He wasnt prosecuted for it, no case was brought by the CPS and they do not require a member of the public to complain to do that. In the eyes of the law he is equally as innocent as Terry.
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| Quote: Goochie "The thing is, in a court of law to be found guilty it must be beyond all reasonable doubt, the proof for the FA must just be on the balance of probabilities. The reason he was found not guilty was that there was a element of doubt in the decision, not that he probably didn't use it as an insult.'"
No, the Judge specifically pointed out that it was unlikely that he used it as an insult and that there was insufficient evidence to prove it.
I fail to see how the FA could prove otherwise from the same evidence. I also fail to see why they would try, given the cost and the farcical duration of the controversy.
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| Wait a minute, apparently using words like that - in any sense - is completely against British culture; it is completely unacceptable and no excuse, be it ignorance, cultural differences or language barriers, can be used as an excuse. If only Suarez turned around and said "I called him a negro once, it was tongue in cheek like", maybe then these uber 'suits' the FA had would have been swayed.
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| Quote: Roddy B "Wait a minute, apparently using words like that - in any sense - is completely against British culture; it is completely unacceptable and no excuse, be it ignorance, cultural differences or language barriers, can be used as an excuse. If only Suarez turned around and said "I called him a negro once, it was tongue in cheek like", maybe then these uber 'suits' the FA had would have been swayed.'"
Suarez was found guilty of using racial language numerous times. Video evidence supported Evra's statements, it didn't support Suarez's.
Suarez was found guilty and banned for 9 (?) matches. You had a right of appeal. You choose not to use it. You whined about how you'd been stitched up.
Even when Suarez said he'd shake Evra's hand and then didn't you still came up with excuses for him.
Same old scousers, always the victims. Another minute's silence for you.
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "eusa_boohoo.gif
Victim? I'm chuffed. Next time I see a black lad in work, I'm gonna call him a f*cking black c*nt, then, when they try to sack/discipline me, I'll just play the sarcasm card. I can't wait, it's my new secret weapon.
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| So you're admitting you have racist tendencies, and feel that you'll be able to use that moronic argument as a way of not being sacked when your company send you packing (without any treatment for your broken nose)?
It doesn't surprise me, after seeing what a c*** you are on here.
Let us know how you get on.
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| At least JT had to say in court "LFC fans sing a song about my mum". Class.
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "So you're admitting you have racist tendencies, and feel that you'll be able to use that moronic argument as a way of not being sacked when your company send you packing (without any treatment for your broken nose)?
It doesn't surprise me, after seeing what a c*** you are on here.
Let us know how you get on.'"
Nah, I don't have any tendencies I'm just very sarcastic, especially in response to people calling my mum a slag.
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| This is quality. Keep it up, 'bout 6 weeks til the season yet
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| Quote: Roddy B "Nah, I don't have any tendencies I'm just very sarcastic, especially in response to people calling my mum a slag.'"
Well I guess that's better than the murderous tendencies a lot of you scouse filth have.
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Well I guess that's better than the murderous tendencies a lot of you scouse filth have.'"
Pot kettle black. Booing through a minutes silence for the 96 who died at Hillsborough. Like I said, plastic flags, plastic club.
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| Quote: John_D "He's still guilty of being John Terry'"
The most heinous crime committable.
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| Quote: Lord Tony Smith "Pot kettle black. Booing through a minutes silence for the 96 who died at Hillsborough. Like I said, plastic flags, plastic club.'"
At least we're not murderers.
Or racists.
You're guilty on both those counts.
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "What Suarez was accused of still breaks the law.'"
If Suarez's case had gone to court he would have been found not guilty because of the beyond reasonable doubt line of enquiry.
Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Suarez's ban was because he was found guilty of multiple counts.
The action was taken against Suarez because the victim complained directly towards the FA and wanted them to pursue the matter.
Action was taken against Terry because one person, an off duty police officer who claims to have watched the clip on TV, complained. Nobody else heard the comments. Not the supposed victim, none of his team mates, none of Terry's team mates, none of the crowd, not the referee.
Scousers will still claim to be the victims in this, like they always do. But no one else should buy into their nonsense.'"
I agree that the way the issues have been brought to the FA's attention are different, however that doesn't validate one over the other because an offence has taken place in both instances. Terry has less of a defence because he's been resident here for over thirty years. So whilst I take your point about multiple use, Terry's defence appears less strong than Suarez. There is an argument to say that he should receive both less and the same penalty. Whatever decision is reached you'll have one set of fans arguing about it because they will refuse to see both sides of the story and those neutrals without objectivity will end up accusing the FA of favouritism even if they make a good decision.
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