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| How on earth has John Terry been found NOT GUILTY? I think you have got to be quite angry if you're associated with Liverpool football club.
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| Quote: Roddy B "I've always been a huge fan of both.
I fail to see how anyone can not rate Dempsey? He's a fantastic player, easily one of the best goal threats from midfield in the Premier League.
Quote: Roddy B "Can't say I've seen much of Borini. Heard a few decent things, heard he has a good attitude and makes up for his limits with work rate. Sounds like a certain blonde that's just left.
He is a gamble at that price, Liverpool's overspending for players doens't seem to be stopping now Comolli and KKK have left. He's 22 now and has barely played for anyone during his career as he's been unable to get into the first team. As a replacement for Bellamy, who was hardly a regular it's not a bad move, but I can't see him being first choice at Liverpool. £12m seems a lot.
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| Quote: Chris28 "Terry not guilty'"
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| Quote: Darkheart "How on earth has John Terry been found NOT GUILTY? I think you have got to be quite angry if you're associated with Liverpool football club.'"
Why? Suarez admitted using the words he was accused of using and Terry denied it. The Judge found there was insufficient evidence to prove they were used as racial abuse, stating it was unlikely he was using them to racially abuse Ferdinand, but rather denying what Ferdinand was accusing him of saying. "I didn't call you a b f c, you pri..." for example.
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| Quote: Darkheart "How on earth has John Terry been found NOT GUILTY? I think you have got to be quite angry if you're associated with Liverpool football club.'"
Because a totally different case judged by a totally different body and requiring different burdens of proof had a different outcome? There is no [irational [/ireason for anger in those situations.
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| Whatever the outcome, it's been dealt with in an appropriate manner (a court of law), and has reached an outcome which would have split the country had it been the other way around, as well.
What is most important now for English football, is that it is put to bed. Like an earlier poster said, the Liverpool/Suarez case dragged it's heels for too long. Time to move on.
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| What a surprise. Terry gets found not guilty.
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| Quote: Dead Man Walking "What a surprise. Terry gets found not guilty.'"
So Anton still hasn't won anything.
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| Not guilty was the right verdict. There was too much doubt with the evidence that he'd said it in the way that he was accused. As much as he is a bell end of epic proportions, people need to take off their Terry-hating specs.
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| Quote: Saddened! "They all should.
The FA are saying they will now launch an investigation on the matter. Having been found not guilty in a court of law, surely that is sufficient investigation? Millions will have been spent bringing this case to court and there is no need for a further investigation. We simply don't need another 3-4 months of accusations, denials, smear campaigns and hype about the matter.
John Terry should also let it drop. This case is very similar to the Suarez incident (But less severe because it was a mutual disagreement rather than an attempt from one player to bully/belittle another) and he should show the class Suarez and Liverpool failed to do and not gloat about the verdict. That case would have been over in a couple of weeks had Liverpool not acted in such an ignorant and offensive way throughout the months and months it rumbled on for. Terry should accept the verdict humbly, apologise to Ferdinand unspecifically for his role in the disagreement and move on.
Ferdinand should also have the grace to move on now. The facts are out there and it's been dealt with in court. No need to drag it on further by slinging more accusations out in the media over the coming weeks.'"
The thing is, in a court of law to be found guilty it must be beyond all reasonable doubt, the proof for the FA must just be on the balance of probabilities. The reason he was found not guilty was that there was a element of doubt in the decision, not that he probably didn't use it as an insult.
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| He's still guilty of being John Terry
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| Quote: Goochie "The thing is, in a court of law to be found guilty it must be beyond all reasonable doubt, the proof for the FA must just be on the balance of probabilities. The reason he was found not guilty was that there was a element of doubt in the decision, not that he probably didn't use it as an insult.'"
The problem for the FA is that they have had two very high profile cases which have a number of similarities but have followed a different process simply because a member of the public made a complaint in the Terry case but not in the Suarez case..
One case has been dealt with internally and Suarez was found guilty on the balance of probabilities (although the Panel did say they took account the seriousness of the charge and applied a higher than normal threshold).
The other was dealt with by the Court where the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. And Terry was found not guilty on that basis. Two different outcomes from two different systems.
It would have been better from the FA's perspective if the magistrate had completely dismissed the case. But he described the Crown's case as "strong". Which begs the question whether the FA's internal process would have come to a different conclusion.
I dont think there is any satisafactory way of dealing with this. But. if the FA drop the case, I would have more sympathy with the view that Suarez had been hard done by than I did in December.
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| Quote: Saddened! "I fail to see how anyone can not rate Dempsey? He's a fantastic player, easily one of the best goal threats from midfield in the Premier League.
He is a gamble at that price, Liverpool's overspending for players doens't seem to be stopping now Comolli and KKK have left. He's 22 now and has barely played for anyone during his career as he's been unable to get into the first team. As a replacement for Bellan't, who was hardly a regular it's not a bad move, but I can't see him being first choice at Liverpool. £12m seems a lot.'"
Where are you getting £12M from? All the reports I've seen say €13M which is equal to £10.2M.
Do you think that's a big price for a young, clincal, capped striker? I don't. Rodgers must really like him to pay the money considering he backed out of the Sigurdsson deal because he wasn't willing to pay the wages Sigurdsson wanted.
EDIT: The Echo, who are normally spot on are saying the fee is £7.9M, which is an absolute bargain if true. You know best though obviously.
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| Quote: Cibaman "The other was dealt with by the Court where the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. And Terry was found not guilty on that basis. Two different outcomes from two different systems.'"
Exactly. To make this simpler and easier to understand for those that are going to be exposed to ill-informed fan blogs on this, the difference is akin to breaking the law and breaking house rules. If you break the law you are guilty and face a legal penalty. If you break house rules you are subject to an internal penalty. You can break house rules without breaking the law, but you cannot break the law and not break house rules (politicians and members of the 1% excluded obviously).
It is quite possible that Terry may face action if he is deemed to have broken house rules. That he has admitted in court that he has used racially offensive language suggests that he has and strengthens the FA's case to implement a similar ban as to what Suarez received. Should Terry not receive any action then, as Cibaman has said, Liverpool may well have every right to complain.
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