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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"Don't Arizona only want a 3rd round pick?'"
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"Franchise QB is your number 1 need. You cannot win without a good QB. Plus didn't you spend a first round, top 3 pick on a guy that is supposed to protect the QB?
I hope you go Suh, because then you'll be the team that become the LA Franchise.
I'd be more worried your going to take the wrong QB rather than the wrong position.'"
Team's can win without a franchise QB. We have a top notch RB and pretty much nothing else. Putting a shed load of money into a rookie QB who will get hit from pillar to post in his 1st season with to little to no talent around him just seems like a bad idea to me. Strengthen the rest of the team and maybe look at QB's next season when we will be picking in the 1st 5 or 10 again. From the stuff I've read i really want us to take Suh and maybe, if he drops to the 2nd, Clausen. Though i still think we should be looking to strengthen elsewhere.
BTW whats the deal with Clausen in mock drafts. I've seen him go in the top 5 in some and not even go in the 1st in others!
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"Team's can win without a franchise QB. We have a top notch RB and pretty much nothing else. Putting a shed load of money into a rookie QB who will get hit from pillar to post in his 1st season with to little to no talent around him just seems like a bad idea to me. Strengthen the rest of the team and maybe look at QB's next season when we will be picking in the 1st 5 or 10 again. From the stuff I've read i really want us to take Suh and maybe, if he drops to the 2nd, Clausen. Though i still think we should be looking to strengthen elsewhere.'"
It's your opinion but i just think it is ridiculous on so many levels.
Teams can win without a franchise/elite player at any position but QB is more important and the correlation is there between succesful teams and first round/early picks at QB.
Your putting a shed load of money in to a QB but didn't you give a shed load of money last year in a LT. Why not give the guy a job to do. You could make the case by your logic that he was the wrong pick as he had nobody worthwhile to protect so get other positions and then a LT when the rest of your team is built.
You passed on QB's to get "safe" defensive picks in the past and investing YET ANOTHER first round pick on the D-line is not worthwhile from a financial standpoint.
You go the way your suggesting and you get just decent enough to be good enough to just move out of range for the top QB's and your mediocre forever. No QB this year because you could get Locker next year? What if you don't? There is going to come a point when you need a QB and if you think Bradford/Clausen have "it" then you have to take one of them this year and even potentially sit them for a year and learn the ropes.
Even if it is not the most pressing need (although i think QB is for you) you have to take one if you think they are going to be great. Take us and Rodgers for example. We didn't need a QB but we thought he had it so we pulled the trigger and it's paid dividends down the road.
Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"BTW whats the deal with Clausen in mock drafts. I've seen him go in the top 5 in some and not even go in the 1st in others!'"
He's just divisive. He played for Notre Damme who are vastly hated by everybody. If he played for USC (for example) he'd be without doubt rated the best. He is far better than Bradford and has no injury concerns so i don't know really. I think he should be who you guys select.
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| =#8040FFRapoport at 4:22 PM:
I am being cautioned on the potential Patriots-Anquan Boldin trade. If anything is imminent, the people aren't ready to say it. Nothing yet
great news, now if the Olsen trade happens the draft will be Defence only (re-sign Bodden too please Bill
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"It's your opinion but i just think it is ridiculous on so many levels.
Teams can win without a franchise/elite player at any position but QB is more important and the correlation is there between succesful teams and first round/early picks at QB.
Your putting a shed load of money in to a QB but didn't you give a shed load of money last year in a LT. Why not give the guy a job to do. You could make the case by your logic that he was the wrong pick as he had nobody worthwhile to protect so get other positions and then a LT when the rest of your team is built.
You passed on QB's to get "safe" defensive picks in the past and investing YET ANOTHER first round pick on the D-line is not worthwhile from a financial standpoint.
You go the way your suggesting and you get just decent enough to be good enough to just move out of range for the top QB's and your mediocre forever. No QB this year because you could get Locker next year? What if you don't? There is going to come a point when you need a QB and if you think Bradford/Clausen have "it" then you have to take one of them this year and even potentially sit them for a year and learn the ropes.
Even if it is not the most pressing need (although i think QB is for you) you have to take one if you think they are going to be great. Take us and Rodgers for example. We didn't need a QB but we thought he had it so we pulled the trigger and it's paid dividends down the road.
He's just divisive. He played for Notre Damme who are vastly hated by everybody. If he played for USC (for example) he'd be without doubt rated the best. He is far better than Bradford and has no injury concerns so i don't know really. I think he should be who you guys select.'"
I get where your coming from. I just think we have a better chance of doing something if we focus on our D and play possession football with Jackson carrying the load. Wherever you look on our team we have holes, i honestly don't think we have a "most pressing need" as all areas, bar RB, are weak. I look at someone like Suh and the reports I've read and i think he gives us a chance to build something special on defence. A rookie QB is going to need a seriously improved line and some talent at WR. We ain't going to be able to get all that in one go this off season.
I also don't think you can really compare taking Rodgers to us taking a QB. Yes Rodgers was taken in round 1 but there is a hell of a difference in pressure between pick 1 and pick 24. Realistically whatever we do this offseason we are going to win 4-5 games at the most next season. It's all up to Spag's anyways, though if we do take Clausen or Bradford i think we trade the number 1 pick
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| Schefter has just posted that we have signed AJ Feeley, the ex-Philly backup QB. Not that that will make any difference to our starting QB plans for next season i would hope
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| Not sure if it's been posted but Marshall looks to be on his way to the Seahawks.
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| =#8040FFPatriots pull out of the race to sign Boldin after becoming favourites to get him
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"
I also don't think you can really compare taking Rodgers to us taking a QB. Yes Rodgers was taken in round 1 but there is a hell of a difference in pressure between pick 1 and pick 24. Realistically whatever we do this offseason we are going to win 4-5 games at the most next season. It's all up to Spag's anyways, though if we do take Clausen or Bradford i think we trade the number 1 pick'"
I'm only comparing in the sense that if you think they are going to be a franchise QB now or in the future then you need to take them no matter what your need is. Comparing you to anything should be the Lions when they took Stafford. They have multiple needs but they took the QB and it's worked. They have a belief about them now and are building around him.
I can see what your saying and you may be potentially right in that you take Suh, but again. If Suh pans out and you get to slightly OK then your going to get to a level where your still poor but out of the range of the top QB. Also i think there is a greater drop off from the top QB's to the second tier of QBs than from top DT's to the second tier of DT's.
If you have that many needs why not take the best player at the most important position?
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I'm only comparing in the sense that if you think they are going to be a franchise QB now or in the future then you need to take them no matter what your need is. Comparing you to anything should be the Lions when they took Stafford. They have multiple needs but they took the QB and it's worked. They have a belief about them now and are building around him.
I can see what your saying and you may be potentially right in that you take Suh, but again. If Suh pans out and you get to slightly OK then your going to get to a level where your still poor but out of the range of the top QB. Also i think there is a greater drop off from the top QB's to the second tier of QBs than from top DT's to the second tier of DT's.
If you have that many needs why not take the best player at the most important position?'"
My understanding was that Detroit took the best player, on their boards, in the draft in Stafford. They have said that they will again take the best player on their board regardless of position this year. We are crap for the long haul. Even if Suh has an all-pro year chances are we still pick in the 1st 10 next season. We are 2 years away from been competitive. I just want us to take the best players available to us regardless of position at the moment. I trust Spags to turn us around if he is given the time and will stand by whatever decision he takes.
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| Done deal: Arizona trades WR Anquan Boldin and a 2010 fifth-round pick to Baltimore for Ravens 2010 third- and fourth-round picks.
From Adam Schefter's Twitter. On a smaller note Jim Sorgi, Peyton Mannings backup, has been released by the Colts.
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"Done deal: Arizona trades WR Anquan Boldin and a 2010 fifth-round pick to Baltimore for Ravens 2010 third- and fourth-round picks. '"
=#8040FFHe's got a new 4 year deal with it too.
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Pats have re-signed Vince Wilfork - 5 years, $40M ($25 GTD) Best news of the day
fairly cheap too 5m a year guaranteed.
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| Antrell Rolle signed by the G-Men. getting Phillips back will give us a pretty decent secondary, Just need to sort out the linebacking crew now.
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| Quote ="Jint"Antrell Rolle signed by the G-Men. getting Phillips back will give us a pretty decent secondary, Just need to sort out the linebacking crew now.'"
Hes now the highest paid safety in NFL history
This made me laugh its from Adam Schefters twitter page
"NFL Free Agency Update - The Bears are getting carried away. They just signed the groundskeeper to 6yr/$72 million deal "

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| Quote ="LFCRhino"Hes now the highest paid safety in NFL history
This made me laugh its from Adam Schefters twitter page
"NFL Free Agency Update - The Bears are getting carried away. They just signed the groundskeeper to 6yr/$72 million deal "
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Snyder is yet to spend, wait till that happens.
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| Quote ="Jint"Most expensive QB as well.
Snyder is yet to spend, wait till that happens.'"
 He will probably be the 3rd/4th highest paid when T`Other Manning, Brady and brees get their new deals
I can see Snyder wading in and signing Marshall, he should do anyway hes a beast and they could do with a top WR IMO
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| I want us to go after a few players but some of these contracts are ridiculous, and i'm quite happy to have a GM who won't rush things.
Rolle the highest paid ever safety. More than Sanders, Polamalu, Reed? Scandalous.
Dansby likewise.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I want us to go after a few players but some of these contracts are ridiculous, and i'm quite happy to have a GM who won't rush things.
Rolle the highest paid ever safety. More than Sanders, Polamalu, Reed? Scandalous.
Dansby likewise.'"
True but stuff like this was always going to happen in an uncapped year!!
ATM we seem to be concentrating on our free agents we want to resign which is all good for me, once we have done that I expect a few players to be added.
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| Quote ="LFCRhino"True but stuff like this was always going to happen in an uncapped year!!
ATM we seem to be concentrating on our free agents we want to resign which is all good for me, once we have done that I expect a few players to be added.'"
We've re-signed Clifton our LT (3 years $20 million) and thats it. I still want Jared Gaither and we could play him RT until Cliffy is gone. For that first round pick he is a bargain. Oh and Brian Westbrook would be a nice addition.
Kirk Morrison is a very good player who is available for a 3rd round tender, who i think could end up at the Giants or somewhere decent.
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"We've re-signed Clifton our LT (3 years $20 million) and thats it. I still want Jared Gaither and we could play him RT until Cliffy is gone. For that first round pick he is a bargain. Oh and Brian Westbrook would be a nice addition.
Kirk Morrison is a very good player who is available for a 3rd round tender, who i think could end up at the Giants or somewhere decent.'"
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| Quote ="ST_CONROY"I want us to go after a few players but some of these contracts are ridiculous, and i'm quite happy to have a GM who won't rush things.
Rolle the highest paid ever safety. More than Sanders, Polamalu, Reed? Scandalous.
Dansby likewise.'"
To be fair stuff like this happens every year. Didn't Stafford get the biggest QB contract ever, in guaranteed money, last year? These contracts go up year on year. Isn't Peyton Manning about to blow everything out of the water this offseason? No doubt his deal will then be trumped next offseason. Throw in that these guys are FA's and the salary gets even a little bit more on it. Interested to see if we make any more FA moves other than AJ Feeley.
Looks like Big Ben has been a naughty boy.
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| Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"To be fair stuff like this happens every year. Didn't Stafford get the biggest QB contract ever, in guaranteed money, last year? These contracts go up year on year. Isn't Peyton Manning about to blow everything out of the water this offseason? No doubt his deal will then be trumped next offseason. Throw in that these guys are FA's and the salary gets even a little bit more on it. Interested to see if we make any more FA moves other than AJ Feeley.'"
Oh yeah definately. It's just a process these days, each player at each position is going to try and get the highest at that position every year, and a lot of times they get it.
I'm just glad that generally we stay clear of it all. It can lead to serious cap implications down the line. Take Carolina. They are paying $12 million next year for Delhomme and another player they signed whos name i can't remember and neither are on the team anymore.
Quote ="El Pac Carnegie"Looks like Big Ben has been a naughty boy.'"
Whether he has done it this time or last time or not at all you have to question his judgement for getting in situations where he can be accused of things like that.
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