How many players from Ukraine and Sweden do you watch?

Well, I'm looking at the England squad and all I see is 1 world-class player (and that's being generous), who is suspended for the first 2 games and a good left-back (not exactly a game changing position).

We also have a decent keeper, but apart from that, I'm struggling to see much, but players who are unproven at this level, many of whom have huge question marks over their ability to shine in a major tournament.

I'm not fully upto sync with the Swedish or Ukranian squads, but I'd be very surprised if they were inferior to ours....Throw in the fact that Ukraine have home advantage and I'm still curious as to why people seemed convinced we can make the last 8?

Sweden (the better of the other 2 in the group)
Ibrahimovic, larsson and kallstrom all very skilled players with

Andreas Isaksson
Olof Mellberg
Jonus Olsson
Martin Olsson
Mikael Lustig
Anders Svensson
Johan Ellmander
Markus Rosenberg
And a few Gothenburg players


Pure quality there, no way in hell we have a chance of competing with that. May as well pack now

Let's face it, opponents won't be quaking when they see his name on the teamsheet.....He's a good, solid pro, but if he's somebody who you are highlighting to try and prove that we are a good side, then you are truly desperate.

It says it all really....For most other sides, he'd be the dogsbody, the man who slips under the radar.....For us, according to you, he's one of our star players????...

Problem is, and this is the biggest thing that most England fans can't seem to get their heads around; football isn't played on paper. In theory, Ashley Young should be better than Andriy Yarmolenko, but I bet Yarmolenko has a better tournament. The Swedes may not have big names, but they always work their nuts off and work rate alone will force England's rank average midfield to struggle.

At the end of the day, for all their premier league-tasticness, England's player won't live up to the lofty standards expected because they are managed by a pr*ck. There is little balance, chemistry and quality in the side. 4-4-2 with average players may scrape through rounds on defending and work rate alone, but if Sweden and Ukraine take the 'underdog' approach to Roy's England, we may see some of the most dire football ever witnessed in the modern era.

Pity Sweden didn't take the underdog attitude in qualification, they might have managed to top there group.

It doesn't matter though, we have sweden In our group so we wont see knockout football like in 2002 and 2006 (and both times didnt they just play us off the park)

U tell him mate .

At the end of the day they dont have our PASSION .

So in the first line of your post you make a point about us not getting to the last euros(our first failure in 14 years). Can I ask where Sweden were at the last major tournament ??? Maybe working there nuts off on the beach (consistently getting to tournaments) ???

Read back through my posts we don't breeze through groups but we do usually find a way through..... Once out of the last seven attempts we have failed. Not really a bad record. We have been very unlucky not to do much better once through (2010 apart). My original point was that it would be a disgrace not to get through the group and it would.

I wouldn't say Sweden are the organised defensive team they were. Their defence looks a bit shakey but they're now much more attacking minded. They've recently worked out how to get the best of out Ibra which is bad news for us. I could see us drawing easily.