A mixed bag from Everton's teens tonight. I thought Agard looked pacey but ultimately lacking in quality, Coleman looked quality again as did Forshaw and Baxter in the middle.

The guy who really stood out was 17 year old centre half Shane Duffy. He is physically up to the Premier League now, his clattering the keeper from a corner was good to see, he looks a very good bet for the future. Tall, strong, good on the ball, great in the air and his positioning was fantastic.

Rodwell also had the best 6 minutes I've seen from an 18 year old in a long time before going off injured. Makes you wonder if the preparation is right at Goodison as thats not the first time a player has gone off with a muscle injury in the first few minutes of the game. The injury list is becoming a team that could make Europe in the Premier League. It's a shame because that looked like it was a game he would of completely dominated.

I wouldn't call Bate measure of physicality in the premier league. You done alright, Bate done alright as well but it was generally a poor game, with only Krivets really looking good.

tehTrunk's latest video on YouTube is brilliant.

D.D, who do you suggest City sign as these 'leaders', then?

Other than your obvious ones, like Terry, Gerrard and Puyol, who do they bring in? Is it something you can bring in, or is it something you bring through, like, through the academy? Is it something a player can learn with age, or is it natural?

I think you saying your forwards can't move forward is harsh, you have arguably the best array of attacking talent in the league in terms of depth and versatility, but, there is something missing. You're in a similar but different situation to us, we have the leadership and the proven quality, but we have little depth and are heavily reliant upon two/three players producing the goods every week. You have a vast array of quality players, but it seems there is nobody to look to when things go wrong, when you need a moment of quality, a piece of inspiration, something the likes of Gerrard, Torres, Drogba etc., seem capable of doing quite regularly, especially when their team need it most, you seem to be lacking and that is to blame largely on Hughes' feet. Sure, Tevez, Robinho and Adebayor are great players individually, but they were all part of great attacks beforehand that already had those players, United had Rooney, Ronaldo etc., Arsenal probably less so than Madrid and United, but they still had Fabregas and Arshavin for his last months, with the likes of van Persie, too.

They are pants but there were a good few aerial threats in their side. They are a team that has drawn twice with Juventus in the Champions League group stages and who will are a two legged qualifier away from the Group Stages next year.

Just goes to show that there isn't an awful lot of quality in the Champions League. They need to think more about the qualifiers, possibly starting it later and having very few qualifiers in the group stages.

The only thing wrong with Citeh is that they are managed by an arrogant fool relying on the fact that he was a half decent footballer. Hughes is a joke. Moyes or Redknapp would have a field day with the squad he's got.

I think City lack the set piece taker for Moyes to get them to new heights.

He got Everton to the Champions League with free kicks alone you reckon

Wouldn't be a problem would it? He could spend £30m on Arteta.

I think Liverpool are ripe for the picking in the January window. Unless they turn it round completely and look certain for a top 4 finish next season, Torres is gone. I'd love to see City tempt Barca or Chelsea into a cheeky £60m bid.

I dunno. If you did happen to finish outside the top 4 I couldn't see how Torres or Gerrard could hold their heads up as players who go on about winning trophies, Torres in particular would find it hard playing 12 months out of the limelight. Mind I can see you still finishing 3rd, it's the same old story. You'll go on a massive unbeaten run to the end of the season and finish on a high, qualifying for the CL. You'll then spend the off season proclaiming the PL is Liverpool's before being 12 points behind at Christmas again.

And can anyone honestly see UEFA accepting a CL without Liverpool? They've failed to qualify legally before only for them to change the rules. I bet if Liverpool came fifth, some poor Belarussian or Estonian side would be evicted on some dubious technicality and Liverpool would be in the qualifiers as wild cards to balance the draw.

Don't be silly.

While I think UEFA were wrong to allow Liverpool into the comp when they didn't qualify, they were also wrong for not having the winners qualifying automatically anyway.

If Liverpool don't qualify for the CL this time, they aint getting in.

TBH I cannot see any other scenario than a non qualifying Liverpool not getting into the comp. Why on earth would they be shoehorned in? English clubs will have our full quota and Liverpool will have to make do with the Europa League for the second season in a row. I cannot see why UEFA would change the rules?

Funniest thing about last night was the player from BATE called Shitov.

Amused me no end.