I agree, if it wasn't for Matthew Upson they weren't as bad collectively as people make out. That was possibly the worst half of international football I've ever seen from a centre half.

That's only for that 1 game though, for the rest of the tournament we were pretty much abject throughout the team.

Rooney.

These past 12 months have seen Jack Wilshere's reputation soar and he hasn't even kicked a ball!!! Suddenly he's the man to help save English football.

I think he definitely does have the potential to be a really good player but he still has a lot to prove from what (admittedly little) I've seen of him to date. He's definitely an improvement on players of the style of Scott Parker though as he does look to have the ability to pass a ball forward rather than sideways or backwards.

I personally dont think the future is as bleak as some people are making out. The likes of Wilshere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Martin Kelly, Tom Cleverley, Daniel Sturridge, Jack Rodwell, Ross Barkley are all good footballers technically and can hopefully help us play a better, more attractive and maybe more successful brand of football. Maybe now is the time to bring them in like Germany did with their talented young players? Nothing really to lose have we as we do look to have a fairly straight-forward World Cup qualifying group.

How did he bring the team together, then? Matt Hughes from The Times got this pretty much spot on the other day when he said thisPlus imp to remember that changes Hodgson lauded for - openness, city centre base, more relaxed atmosphere - were introduced by Capello.'"

Did you really just say that because I'm sure you know that an embarrassment of riches is what managers prefer to having to scrimp, save and manipulate their squad because of a lack of resources.



Who is trying to glorify him?

You know what I meant. Previous managers were almost forced to make all of these 'stars' fit into a team at the expense of balance. Of course managers want talented players, but the pressure to get the best from a bunch of players that didn't fit was far greater than any pressure Roy was under at this tournament. People wanted England to dominate sides, they wanted every player at his 'world class' best, but it was clearly never achievable because the side never reached anywhere near its potential. Oddly enough, I don't think Roy had to scrimp and scrape, if that's what you're trying to say?

Not you specifically, but I've read a lot of stuff throughout this tournament about Roy that's made me cringe. People have turned a blind eye to poor performances and poor management. Why? Maybe glorifying was the wrong word, but I think people have given too much praise to Roy over things previous managers weren't praised for.

Were they really? As far as I've ever seen the only serious lacks of balance have been the fact that Gerrard and Lampard never worked together and the fact that we haven't had a decent left footed winger for 20 years. There's little any manager could do about the latter, but on the first point the pressure has always been on them to make a decision on which one to go with and drop the other for the good of the team. It's had nothing to do with being forced to play both to satisfy the masses, it's been a lack of bottle to make the choice in case they got it wrong.

Roy Hodgson cures cancer



Roy Hodgson cures AIDS



Roy Hodgson solves the world's economic problems



Roy builds a time machine, persuades Hitler to be nice, and does it without completely screwing up the time lines of billions of people.



There's things that Roy Hodgson can do. But there's just some things no one can do.

....Typical RS bluster.....You gave the guy THREE MONTHS!!!!!!!.......You got him kicked out because he didn't pander to your lot's deluded nonsense about being a so-called big team and how 'special' your club is.

I think if you had given him enough time, he would definitely have proved superior to both Souness & Evans, who are/were both toss managers, though they fitted the RS's idea of a manager, in that they had the club in their blood, understood the pain of Heysel and Hillsborough, plus all that other self-pitying nonsense that a lot of kopites like to go on about when the world is going against them....

It'll be interesting to see when the first rumbles of discontent start for Rodgers - I'm guessing about November time when its become obvious you will be struggling to make the top 5 or 6 again.

It seems Sigurdsson will turn down the best club in the world(tm) and join Spurs. Don't know how many times i saw stuff on the front of the Liverpool Echo last week almost proclaiming him as a messiah. I assume now he's sh*t though.

He's a good player who I'd like to have at Liverpool, however if he'd rather go to a managerless and smaller club then thats fine, I wont lose any sleep. The same as if he decides to come here, I'd like it.

I know what you're saying but they only have themselves to blame for pandering to media and fan pressure. I can understand it a bit more with the English managers but Sven and FC have won titles overseas and could have made bold choices but neither did.



Fair enough, I understand that. I think he's done a decent enough job. Not great but we didn't underachieve like we seem to do at every tournament. No manager was going to overcome this lack of ability to retain possession in the space of time he had because we've been trying to deal with that problem since '67, under better managers that RH.

Who are regularly chasing the Champions League places as opposed to struggling to reach the Europa League.