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| Quote: McClennan "There was a post on one of the Liverpool forums by this guy that got tonnes of praise. He was basically saying that Benitez was in the process of building a legacy at Liverpool which was interrupted by his sacking. This poster's big concern was that Rafa would end up at City where he'd be given time and money to support his vision thereby dominating the Premier League until he retires. I'm with you though lol.'"
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Quote: McClennan "One thing that often gets overlooked is the fact that Rafa is still only 50 years of age. Which is ridiculously young for a top manager. By the age of 46 he had already racked up 2 La Liga titles, The UEFA Cup, The Champions League, The Super Cup, The FA Cup, as well as being UEFA Manager of the year twice. Even his sternest critics must admit that at the tender age of 50, Rafa has one of the best Managerial CV's in the game. It often makes me laugh when I see the whoppers on here naming the likes of Hiddink, Capello, Pellegrini et al, as managers they would love to see at Liverpool. These guys are all 10 to 15 years older than Rafa.
Heck, when Ferguson was Rafa's age all he had on his CV was 3 Scottish League titles and a UEFA Cup winners Cup. Ferguson was 57 before he managed to reach a European Cup final. Rafa had been in 2 of them at the age of 47, and a UEFA Cup final to boot. I bet Arsene Wenger would give his right bollock to have the same European track record as Rafa, and Wenger is almost 12 years the elder. The crux of my point is, Rafa was a top manager at a very young age. And despite the last 18 months, he is still without a shadow of a doubt, one of the best coaches in the game. In another 10 years he will be even better. His appetite for learning will ensure it. The man eats, sleeps, breathes, and s football. I wouldn't be surprised if he tags on another couple of European Cups before he reaches 60.
The thing you have to remember about Rafa is, he is not the type of coach who likes to swan into a club for a couple of years, and then off elsewhere. He isn't in the game for money, fame, or attention like that whore in Madrid, he is in it because he is a football obsessive. Rafa likes to build clubs from the ground up. His ideas are long term. He got it right when he was at Valencia. In their pomp they were a supreme football machine. Anyone who remembers Valencia's visit to Anfield should recall how they literally embarrassed us in our own back yard.
The biggest up that Valencia made was that their board didn't share the same long term vision as Rafa. Had he stayed there, and had they backed him accordingly, Rafa would have wreaked havoc on the continent with that side. No question or doubt about it. Even more havoc than he wreaked with us. You can bet your bottom dollar Valencia realized what a up they made when they saw Rafa holding the Champions league trophy in 2005.
He almost got it right with us too. 2009 should have been our year. We were just desperately unlucky. Some of the football we played that season was Valencia-esque. Man Utd, Real Madrid, and Aston Villa in particular, all felt what it was like to be on the receiving end of a fully functional Benitez side. I.E they got absolutely battered from start to finish. Rafa was on the verge of putting us on roughly the same level as he had put Valencia in 2001. We were almost there. It's agonizing to think back on it, but that's football. Sometimes you get the breaks, sometimes you don't.
Speaking of breaks, we got a bad one when Xabi wanted to leave. People often underestimate just how much of an impact Xabi's departure had on the team. Rafa built the side around him from day 1. He was Rafa's eyes and ears on the pitch for us. Gerrards admission that he almost cried when he heard Xabi was leaving is proof of this. It was a killer blow, but it was a blow which we could have recovered from. It just needed time. A lot more time than Rafa was afforded.
I'm not saying Rafa doesn't have his flaws, he clearly does. Of course he has made mistakes. But he is young, he is still learning. We're not talking about a guy who just came in and got lucky with us in 2005. This is a guy who had already proved himself, a two time European Manager of the year who wanted to finally realize his grand vision for a footballing institution. That institution should have been us.
Which is why I fear if we don't allow him to return to finish what he started here, then he will probably go to Man City and build a team that will dominate for years. The thought of which is too much to even ponder. Rafa will realize his vision one day. It may take him a few years, but do it he shall. My biggest fear is that when does, we will all look back from a top the hills that we all thought were greener, and think " it, we should have given him a second chance"
Bring him back I say. Fuck the myopic, short memoried idiots who lambaste him. They are fools. Fools who simply do not grasp that the working methods of Rafa Benitez are part of a masterplan. We have Bondel and Segura working with the youth team now, with tremendous effect. All thanks to Rafa. The future is bright. We have owners with a track record of achieving long term success. We just need a manager who can make it work. A manager who loves the club, and loves the fans. That man is sitting in the Wirral right now. Please John Henry, bring back Rafael Benitez. Give him his chance to make himself a hero. Lord knows, for all he has done for us, he deserves it. '"
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| Quote: Urmston Wire "
I would be horrified if he turned up at City. He's like a Spanish Megson.'"
Yeah, because Megson's won a European Cup.
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| Quote: 74' "Yeah, because Megson's won a European Cup.'"
Taken that a bit too literally there mate. Megson is a manager whom most people dread, and I don't know any non-Liverpool fans who would like to see him take over their club. There are at least twenty better managers in the game today than Benitez.
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| Quote: Urmston Wire "Taken that a bit too literally there mate. Megson is a manager whom most people dread, and I don't know any non-Liverpool fans who would like to see him take over their club. There are at least twenty better managers in the game today than Benitez.'"
When you say things like 'jammy European cup win' and fail to mention his other strong 'runs' in Europe with both Liverpool and Valencia, you only portray yourself as ignorant and borderline thick.
You might not agree with the way Benitez does things, you may not agree with every player he signs and you may think that the past couple of years for him are his true 'level', but his record speaks for itself and he has as good as CV as there is at the moment.
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| Quote: Robbie Rotten "When you say things like 'jammy European cup win' and fail to mention his other strong 'runs' in Europe with both Liverpool and Valencia, you only portray yourself as ignorant and borderline thick.
You might not agree with the way Benitez does things, you may not agree with every player he signs and you may think that the past couple of years for him are his true 'level', but his record speaks for itself and he has as good as CV as there is at the moment.'"
as a neutral (THFC) Benitez seemed a bit of an enigma - he can obviously 'manage' as his record shows but it's his inconsistency with decision making that worries me (a bit like Gomez in the THFC goalmouth) - he made some dubious signings and very dodgy 'tactical' changes during numerous LUFC games - some seemed totally incomprehensible at the time - the scouse fans are not thickos when it comes to football know-how and seemed to want to support him but found it difficult due to his inconsistency IMO - or,am I talking absolute c**p ?
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| Happy New Year Roy
Quote: The club’s owner, Fenway Sports Group (FSG), determined that he [Roy] is not the man to take the club forward. "From The Times is not the man to take the club forward."
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| Quote: Wire_85 "Happy New Year Roy
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Hardly a revelation is it? I haven't heard the new owners commit to Roy so it comes as no surprise that they are on the lookout for another manager.
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| Quote: Billinge_Lump "He was 35, wanted a longer contract than was offered and first team football. I'd have liked him to have stayed, but the pace of the PL was starting to catch up with him.'"
And he went on to have a great season in Germany. Ok he's no Kyrgiakos but he still had something to offer, as Leverkusen found out.
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| Quote: McClennan "There was a post on one of the Liverpool forums by this guy that got tonnes of praise. He was basically saying that Benitez was in the process of building a legacy at Liverpool which was interrupted by his sacking. This poster's big concern was that Rafa would end up at City where he'd be given time and money to support his vision thereby dominating the Premier League until he retires. I'm with you though lol.'"
Wire 85?
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| Quote: El Pac Carnegie "Hardly a revelation is it? I haven't heard the new owners commit to Roy so it comes as no surprise that they are on the lookout for another manager.'"
Ever tried looking?
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Quote: El Pac Carnegie "This club can be better. Blaming the manager or any one particular player is simply wrong'"
The story by TB is the first time they have turned on Roy so yes its abit of a "revelation"
Might get even worse today against Bolton I would take a point right now, its that bad.
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| I'm way too suggestible when I've had a few drinks, accepted a freebie for Anfield this afternoon - though it could be amusing if the natives decide to revolt.
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| Quote: Wire_85 "Ever tried looking?
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The story by TB is the first time they have turned on Roy so yes its abit of a "revelation"
Might get even worse today against Bolton I would take a point right now, its that bad.'"
I'm actually amazed at what comes out of Hodgson's mouth. Is he intent on getting the supporters to turn on him. The ironic thing is that your fans are renowned for being behind your managers more than most.
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