Quote ash4hullfc="ash4hullfc"Did you miss the part of my post where I outlined his strengths, or simply chose to ignore them? Trying to be condescending won't get you anywhere.'"
No I didn't miss it. You were blatantly incorrect with one or two things that you said. I actually wasn't trying to be patronising. That's why I said "fella" in my post.
Quote ash4hullfcCompletely disagree. He's no world beater by any means but he's only young and has shown already that he has plenty of potential. He's a very tidy player with superb composure on the ball. To say he cannot pass is quite laughable. He isn't the best tackler in the world but puts a lot of work in and does come up with the odd crucial tackle. When he's played, he's done the job of two men because of him playing alongside Butt. Put him next to Nolan or Barton and he'd come into his own.'"
Barton cannot tackle. Neither can Nolan. I'm not sure his defensive duties will reduce that much.
When I say "can't pass", I mean create something, open teams up and pass long . I think football fans are easily pleased nowadays. They think someone "can pass" if they square the ball to a colleague 10 yards away.
Quote ash4hullfcA tad loose? Nevermind a tad, he's always loose, mainly when he's passing or trying to control the ball. [iHe[/i hasn't helped the rest of the team, not the other way round. He is very much the weak link in our side and would be nowhere near the first team if everybody was fit. Without him in the side, no matter who we were playing, we'd be a much better side, even against the physical sides. He doesn't have the legs to do much anymore.'"
I'll take your word for i as you see him play more than I do but in respect of Guthrie, I still think he is Mike Marsh Mark II
Quote ash4hullfcA dominant England that he was controlling...'"
Against a very poor Germany team. That was not Germany's best team.
You are kidding me, aren't you? Better than Messi? Pato? Kroos? 
