That figures - was on this creature called Brave Highlander for years in the hope it would eventually come good. Usually got round, but 1 4th place was the best it ever did for me

He ran well a good few times - was unlucky to come down at the Canal Turn one year, Phillip Hide used to ride him a fair bit and he was always plotted up for the National.

Every year the trainer would say the same thing "the big aim is the National" etc. same for Clan Royal too.

Depends if Sir Robert Ogden wants Exotic Dancer running against Voy Por.

What about those that have won it more than once or been placed more than once

This is the one and only Horse race I bet on and have gone for the following...

£10 Black Apalachi to win @ 16/1

£2 Stan each way @ 100/1

£5 Can't buy time each way @ 50/1


Have picked 2 winners in the past - West Tip and Red Marauder

If they've won it more than once it constitutes a win so they are in. However if they've placed more than once without winning they're out.

To clear it up:

If your horse has completed the National before it should be in 1st place.
If it has run in the National it has to have PU, BD, UR, F etc. the moment it finishes and doesn't win it's off the list.

You clearly know a lot more about horse racing that me.

PU, BD, UR, F etc







I don't have the faintest idea what you're on about

Pulled up
Brought down
Unseated rider
Fell
Etc...

I kind of see your point here now - I'm guessing it's to do with weights subsequently allocated.
Do you reckon Hedgehunter fell on purpose in 2004?

He was weighed down by a hefty sum of CP money from 66's down to 25's which was IMO the main problem. He wouldn't have won if he'd stood up anyway as they made too much use of him that year, the following year however he could have gone round again



I might be to do with subsequent weight - it's just a stat that they have a poor record, tbh horses who've previously won and not won the National have a poor win record in general but Hedgehunter won the year after falling and there've been a few other good runs.

Equally there's a good few poor runs after placing, most notably Lord Atterbury who was came down at the first one year having finished third the year before.

Anyone any idea rough SP for Big Bucks tomorrow? Looking on SkyBet and no prices yet,just an option for SP

5/6 on PP at the moment