Fair point. I like Everton as a club - the fans are a different story all together, but that's another debate. Moyes has done a magnificent job, there's no doubt, with a limited budget.

I've not seen one City fan dispute the facts you've raised. The reason this debate started was a comment from a seemingly jealous Everton fan. He was having a go at City and their fans for getting excitable and ahead of themselves. It's what the do and always have done - it's just that this time there's a bit a of substance behind their excitment, and some fans are getting twitchy about it. This is a club who bought Lee Bradbury and built him up to be the next Maradona. I was told Dickson Etuhu was the next Patrick Vieira by one City fan. Their greatest ever player in the prem ended up in the Ajax reserves. Now they are linked with top tier stars and they are a genuine threat to the top 4, which is a position which Everton, Villa and the would like to be too.

We have won a European trophy too. We may not have terrorise Europe as promised by Malcolm but we have had a number of great European nights.

Everton have been chronic in Europe of late. Yes or no? Answer the question. Stop referring back to the 1980's.

Re your comments about us spending money in 1970s and early 1980s: How does that relate to us being so low in the late 1990s?

I don't know one person who claimed Etuhu was going to be as good as Viera, and neither do I know anyone who thought Badbuy was any good.

As for Kinky, you have to admit that he was a great talent. He went to one of the biggest clubs in Europe. Howrever, it coincided with him becoming fat and no longer being interested in football, bar the financial benefits.

Just read that the Madrid based press are saying Real have agreed to sign Benzema, but Benzema's teammate - Pjanic, has said he's close to joining United.

Would love to see him in England, I think it suits his style to a tee, would hate to see him at United, though

Just wondering, how will City fill the hole left by Vass?

Wrong. The club was owned by different individuals. You had Peter Swales, who was then replaced by Franny Lee in 1994 but who sold up in 1998.

To cut a long story short, it was more to do with Lee saying he had lots of money, when in fact he didn't.

Stick to your own club, fella.

At the time you signed Bradbury (for some sort of record fee I think) there was excitment at City. A few people said that Etuhu was the next big thing.

Anyone who thinks city will be a top 4 club next season are in cuckoo land.

They wont even make the europa league. You can spend as much as you want, but when you lack team spirit you will get no where.

It still has the potential to be a disastrous off season for us. I'd take not signing another player and sticking with what we have tbh as the alternatives of losing Masch and/or Alonso will undo the work Rafa has been doing moulding the team. In an ideal world we will lose Leto (signed and sealed, roughly £3m) Dossena (£5. No not, £5m, £5.) and Babel (£7m) and buy Silva as Rafa has already said we have money to buy a player without having to sell.

So thats City and Liverpool living in uniteds shadow Fingerpost?? And we wont make the Europa League that is laughable and has for the team spirit we had it last year we just couldnt play well away from home we tried to play too much entertaining football and not grind the results out away