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Quote: chico's nose "

If the NBA were to allow this deal, the vast majority of owners, especially of smaller market teams, would be wondering why the feck they ever bothered with the lockout.'"

But Lakers have had to lose 2 big players to get 1. Odom still played a big role and Gasol was the 2nd star behind Kobe. As it stands, if the trade were to go through, they would be weaker.

NO getting Odom, as well as the 3 very solid players from Houston was fantastic when faced with the prospect of getting nothing for Paul in a years time (which is now likely to happen).

Same for Houston, they've shed some players they didn't need, and were getting a bonafide superstar in Pau Gasol to replace Ying.

New Orleans were going to be no weaker after the trade, if anything a tad stronger across the park, Houston were definately getting stronger as well as getting that franchise player, and the Lakers were left with only Bynum that is any good around the basket.

As for the "small owners" getting their way, New Orleans and probably Houston also are definately in that category, this deal made them bigger, but yet it was blocked. New Orleans in particular are now going to lose out so much more.

Whats the alternative though? Paul is ONLY likely to go to the Lakers, Boston or NY. This is the best deal that NO could have got, as well as strengthening another small market team in Houston.

Absolutely ludicrous decision. And whats worse, Dan Gilbert was one of those to complain, so now he's just created a situation where another franchies is going to be LeBron'd.

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Thing is, NO wanted the deal to go through, but because the league owns them, for whatever reason, they overruled the GM.

I can see why LA want Paul, a lot of teams are taking the PG route and there aren't many better than Paul. With Kobe aging and a 1st overall pick massively unlikely, they may as well look for a new franchise player and get rid of some players that were partly blamed for the humiliation against Dallas.

I just can't believe that three teams were able to work out a trade that worked for all of them, only for the league to turn around and say no, it defies the point of the trade market and it's extremely unfair on teams and players. What is the LA coach supposed to say to Odom and Gasol now? Likewise with Houston.

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Quote: Roddy B "
I just can't believe that three teams were able to work out a trade that worked for all of them, only for the league to turn around and say no, it defies the point of the trade market and it's extremely unfair on teams and players. What is the LA coach supposed to say to Odom and Gasol now? Likewise with Houston.'"

Exactly.

No one was a loser in this deal. As I've mentioned, if anything the two "smaller market" teams which the new deal was supposed to protect, and the reason why the league overrules it, came out better than the big market team.

LA would still need to make further deals to stay at the same level as before, the other two already were stronger.

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Quote: inside_man "But Lakers have had to lose 2 big players to get 1. Odom still played a big role and Gasol was the 2nd star behind Kobe. As it stands, if the trade were to go through, they would be weaker.

NO getting Odom, as well as the 3 very solid players from Houston was fantastic when faced with the prospect of getting nothing for Paul in a years time (which is now likely to happen).

Same for Houston, they've shed some players they didn't need, and were getting a bonafide superstar in Pau Gasol to replace Ying.

New Orleans were going to be no weaker after the trade, if anything a tad stronger across the park, Houston were definately getting stronger as well as getting that franchise player, and the Lakers were left with only Bynum that is any good around the basket.

As for the "small owners" getting their way, New Orleans and probably Houston also are definately in that category, this deal made them bigger, but yet it was blocked. New Orleans in particular are now going to lose out so much more.

Whats the alternative though? Paul is ONLY likely to go to the Lakers, Boston or NY. This is the best deal that NO could have got, as well as strengthening another small market team in Houston.

Absolutely ludicrous decision. And whats worse, Dan Gilbert was one of those to complain, so now he's just created a situation where another franchies is going to be LeBron'd.'"


I understand that this trade was the best deal that NO will more than likely get, and the fact that both they and the rockets would have got better. However I have to stress that everybody knows that the lakers would have only been weaker for the few day before they went and got Howard, and this is the real stumbling block.

This whole lock out has been about the league losing millions of dollars every year. The easiest way to stop the wrot is to make the league more competative instead of having a league where only around half a dozen teams (usually the same half dozen) have a real shot at winning the championship. If this deal had been allowed to go through it would have been another example of the "rich getting richer". It the short term it mat seem a strange decision, but for the long term I 100% believe that this is the best decision for the NBA going forward.

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Chandler to knicks almost done.
Hill resigns with Suns, due to Knicks losing mdi-level exception
Brandon Roy retires
Arenas amnesty
D12 to Nets expected soon
Billups expected to be released(amnesty)


I expect the CP3 trade to go through after D12 is traded, albeit with a slight tweak.

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Quote: chico's nose "I understand that this trade was the best deal that NO will more than likely get, and the fact that both they and the rockets would have got better. However I have to stress that everybody knows that the lakers would have only been weaker for the few day before they went and got Howard, and this is the real stumbling block.

This whole lock out has been about the league losing millions of dollars every year. The easiest way to stop the wrot is to make the league more competative instead of having a league where only around half a dozen teams (usually the same half dozen) have a real shot at winning the championship. If this deal had been allowed to go through it would have been another example of the "rich getting richer". It the short term it mat seem a strange decision, but for the long term I 100% believe that this is the best decision for the NBA going forward.'"

The commissioner can't veto the deal because the Lakers MIGHT then do an additional trade.

This trade, on a stand alone basis, doesn't make a new superteam, doesn't destroy a small market team. It doesn't do any of that.

THIS DEAL WOULD HAVE PLEASED ALL THE TEAMS INVOLVED.

What on earth else do they want? If they aren't going to allow Paul to go to the Lakers, they won't want him going to the Knicks, to the Celtics. So they are effectively screwing the type of side that the whole deal was supposed to protect and improve.

New Orleans are more likely to be competitive with Odom, Scola et al, than being a complete mess next season when they lose Paul for nothing. Which is now what will happen.

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Quote: Mark "Chandler to knicks almost done.
Hill resigns with Suns, due to Knicks losing mdi-level exception
Brandon Roy retires
Arenas amnesty
D12 to Nets expected soon
Billups expected to be released(amnesty)


I expect the CP3 trade to go through after D12 is traded, albeit with a slight tweak.'"

What do you make of the D12 nets? Similar to Deron Williams in that they're the only team willing to take on an expiring contract without any guarantees of an extension?

Probably worth the risk for them as it makes it a heck of a lot more likely both will sign than just a single one of them. They would instantly become contenders imo.

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A lot of speculation that NYK are still in pole position for next years free agency, with Deron Williams + possibly CP3 still available.

Surely signing Chandler means that they won't have room for another max level player? If they are having to amnesty Billups contract to get Chandler in then what hope do they have next year?

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Bibby? Really? Rather just go with Douglas + a rookie!

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Quote: inside_man "Bibby? Really? Rather just go with Douglas + a rookie!'"



Defence and 3 point shooting.

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NBA league pass free from 25th dec to 9th Jan...enjoy.

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Clippers get Billups for just $2mil. Bargain. Now it's just a question of whether he'll actually show up.

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Quote: Mark "NBA league pass free from 25th dec to 9th Jan...enjoy.'"



Free as in you give them your card details with them hoping you dont remember to stop the free period or free as in you go online and watch? Either way im interested. Really want to get back into the NBA properly this year. I started getting back into it last season but only from a distance. It was my main sport as a kid.

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Have ESPN released any schedule of what they're showing yet?

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CP3's gone to the Clippers.

They finally caved and gave the Eric Gordon + the 2012 pick.

Big move, instant contenders now. We'll have to wait and see if it was worth it for 2 years of Paul, personally, I think it is. Go big whilst you've got it.

Only question now is that they've got 3 good PG's, will Mo Williams get traded out to add some scorers off the bench to replace Eric Gordon?

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     National Rugby League 2024-R6
06:00
Cronulla
v
Manly
08:30
Souths
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Parramatta
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R6
17:00
LondonB
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
17:30
Warrington
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R6
18:00
Sheffield
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
 Sun 13th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R6
05:00
Melbourne
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Newcastle
v
Wests
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Catalans
       Championship 2025-R6
15:00
Hunslet
v
Halifax
15:00
Oldham
v
Featherstone
15:00
Widnes
v
Barrow
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
10:50
Manly
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Wakefield
v
Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:05
Canterbury
v
Souths
11:00
Dolphins
v
Melbourne
       League One 2025-R6
14:00
Midlands
v
Crusaders
       Championship 2025-R7
15:00
Barrow
v
LondonB
15:00
Batley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
15:00
Featherstone
v
York
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Widnes
v
Oldham
       League One 2025-R6
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Newcastle
15:00
Rochdale
v
Swinton
15:00
Workington
v
Whitehaven
18:30
Keighley
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
Brisbane
10:35
Sydney
v
Penrith
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 20th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Canberra
07:05
Newcastle
v
Cronulla
 Mon 21st Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
10:50
Brisbane
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
07:00
Sydney
v
St.George
09:05
NZ Warriors
v
Newcastle
11:10
Melbourne
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Gold Coast
10:35
Penrith
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R8
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
05:00
Canberra
v
Dolphins
07:05
Wests
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R8
15:00
Barrow
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
LondonB
15:00
Oldham
v
Bradford
15:00
Sheffield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
09:00
Cronulla
v
Parramatta
11:05
Sydney
v
Dolphins
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
06:00
Souths
v
Newcastle
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
NQL Cowboys
10:45
Wests
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
       Championship 2025-R9
17:00
LondonB
v
York
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R9
18:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
04:50
Gold Coast
v
Canterbury
07:05
Penrith
v
Brisbane
09:25
Melbourne
v
Canberra
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 8th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
10:50
Parramatta
v
Dolphins
 Fri 9th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
09:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
 Sat 10th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
06:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
08:30
St.George
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Penrith
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
05:00
Melbourne
v
Wests
07:05
Manly
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Newcastle
v
Parramatta
11:00
Canterbury
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Dolphins
v
NZ Warriors
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Manly
10:35
Cronulla
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
05:00
Brisbane
v
St.George
07:05
Canberra
v
Gold Coast
09:15
Wests
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
10:50
Canterbury
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
11:00
Parramatta
v
Manly
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
08:30
Penrith
v
Newcastle
10:35
Sydney
v
Cronulla
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
07:05
NZ Warriors
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
11:00
St.George
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Wests
10:35
Manly
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
05:00
Souths
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Penrith
v
Parramatta
09:15
Sydney
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Thu 5th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
10:50
Newcastle
v
Manly
 Fri 6th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
09:00
Melbourne
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Dolphins
v
St.George
 Sat 7th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
08:30
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Gold Coast
 Sun 8th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Canberra
v
Souths
07:05
Wests
v
Penrith
 Thu 12th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
St.George
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
11:00
Gold Coast
v
Manly
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
08:30
Newcastle
v
Sydney
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
07:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
 Thu 19th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
Castleford
v
Hull KR
 Fri 20th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
11:00
Wests
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R14
19:45
Bradford
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
St.Helens
v
Leeds
20:00
Wakefield
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R14
20:00
Featherstone
v
Halifax
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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